Shawna admits, “I feel unworthy of being used by Jesus. Don’t follow me cause I’m still trying to figure this thing out.” But Paul told his protégé Timothy, “I’m the worst of sinners!” It’s a conversation about how we don’t have to be perfect to lead. We just need to be humble.

Then, Perry admits, “Sometimes I doubt that God is good and when I do, this is where I go.” Next, we were created to walk with God and talk with him and to hear him say, “You’re my beloved!”

Then, God is for us. He longs to pour his goodness into us. But there’s one thing we need to receive it: Humility. Last, if you’re in a season where you don’t feel God’s presence, where it’s hard to believe that he’s good, Perry and Shawna feel that and have some hope to share.

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