As I sit down with my guest today, Joan Meiners, we dive right into talking about how she went from a PhD in a completely unrelated field to being a journalist.

Starting with a mutual situation for us, talking to big names being a nobody. We've discovered similar things along the way.

I ask her about her history in cycling and her journey towards that from a running background in college.

Joan tells me a story about how she got to meet the woman she was named for, Joan Benoit Samuelson, the first woman to win an olympic gold for the marathon.

Joan continues her story about meeting her namesake, Joan Benoit Samuelson.

She tells me a little bit about walking on to the college track team and how she didn't think she was very good at running. At least at first.

We jump back to the shared topic of talking to sports icons we idolize and how that makes us feel.

Then Joan shares a story with me about when the tables were turned and she got recognized as an athlete.

I ask her as a journalist how can we separate good from bad science.

In the last part of my chat with Joan we talk about the ever prescient topic of our time: the age of spin. How do we separate reality from fake news?

Joan shares with me one method she finds helpful to verify the truth, best we can.

We go into a more existential conversation thinking about how sometimes we as people reach impasses because we come from different ontological views (looking at the basis or reality from different starting points).

Before time runs out I have to ask her about her bee research and how you actually catch 50,000 bees.

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