As we approach MLK weekend, we invite you to lean into the truths of our shared story so we can rediscover our shared humanity and reimagine a new chapter for ourselves, our communities and our nation, together. We have to be willing to learn from the injustices of our past and be willing to trace them back to the roots, both in our systems and our hearts, if we're ever going to see these wounds heal. Hear special guest Dr. Sandy Darity wrestle with the question of where we go from here, chaos or community, in next week's JUST podcast double episode finale. 0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 1:52 Rob talks about feeling the despair of the last few week’s events but feeling a renewed conviction 5:15 Jes talks about people being not surprised, and her word is being anchored 8:08 Rob frames up the last two episodes in asking the question: Where do we go from here: Chaos or Community? 11:17 Sandy Darity, Jr. joins the conversation 11:55 Rob introduces Sandy 13:13 Rob asks Sandy why this topic is so important to Sandy and how this cause became personal 13:32 Sandy talks about growing up in North Carolina and growing up in formative parts of legal segregation 15:59 Sandy talks about how reparations for descendents are not exclusively for those of slavery 18:49 Sandy talks about arguing in his book the need to close the racial wealth gap which could mean up to $10-$12 trillion dollars 20:01 Jes asks how reparations is defined, what it is and what is it not 21:08 Sandy uses his book definition of “program of acknowledgement redressing closure for a  previous injustice” 24:13 Sandy brings up a Malcom X quote about pulling the knife out and healing the wound being two different things 29:55 Rob asks what it would look like practically to execute this plan for reparations 30:27 Sandy addresses misperceptions as to why people might disagree with this idea 32:31 Sandy talks about three things needed for a plan: 1) specific plan for who qualifies, 2) establishing what the amount should be, 3) to make direct payments to individual recipients 34:41 Interlude 36:09 Jes asks if financial reparations are deployed, how and what is that going to last in the community 39:11 Sandy addresses their argument that having wealth as a foundation is a basis for business development 45:40 Sandy talks about House Resolution 40 as a commission that is supposed to generate a reparations plan 47:37 Rob asks what the biggest obstacle is that stands in the way of execution of reparations 48:08 Sandy talks about misperceptions associated with how people think about the sources of existing racial inequality 49:47 Jes encourages listeners to read the book From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the 21st Century 50:17 Jes asks how listeners can engage with this work 50:32 Sandy talks about the Homestead Act and how that disproportionately aided slave owners over the slaves themselves when it came to land grants 54:33 Sandy signs off the conversation 55:46 Rob talks about this problem and the solution being cleaner 59:29 Rob talks about the power of narrative and misperceptions 1:02:59 Jes talks about they why of doing this work beyond just moving us into an equitable space 1:03:28 Jes and Rob talk about holding on to a spirit of hope 1:08:17 Conversation ends 1:08:20 Outro 1:08:39 Preview of next episode Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram)

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Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the...