We are talking about Race & the Nonprofit Leadership Gap with our very special guest and ReCity partner, Harvey Hinton of CAARE - The Healing Center in Durham. 0:00 Episode starts  0:44 Personal check-in 1:18 Jes talks about seasons changing and something new 2:59 Rob talks about change being the most productive right now 3:38 Rob addresses how important it is to acknowledge how we can only take on the weight of so many people’s stories 5:02 Introduces the topic of discussion, race and the leadership gap 5:50 Rob introduces Dr. Harvey Hinton III of https://www.caare-inc.org/ (CAARE) 6:34 Rob introduces Dr. Hinton’s bio for background 7:38 Rob asks about Harvey’s story and what led him to serve in his current role at CAARE 7:58 Harvey talks about growing up in Durham and being taught by people from NCCU 8:11 Harvey brings up the theme of community being foundational 8:41 CAARE started by women who had hearts that wanted to make sure black people had access to healthcare 9:51 Harvey credits CAARE’s success in using its location in Downtown Durham strategically as a sunshine ray of hope 11:01 CAARE showed people how to maneuver in the nonprofit space to find opportunities to support yourself 12:12 Racism is a public health issue 12:31 CAARE stands for community action, advocacy, restoration, and empowerment 12:54 The goal was not to discuss racism, the goal was being there as a black person to figure out how to make improvements 13:27 Jes mentions the Doc Rivers quote about desiring to just be a basketball coach 14:39 Jes brings up the article https://nonprofitquarterly.org/how-white-people-conquered-the-nonprofit-industry/ (How White People Conquered the Nonprofit Industry) 16:38 Jes asks Harvey about this white-dominated nonprofit industry and how he has encountered it 17:18 It’s not based on meritocracy 18:12 If a white person would take true action, it would take career suicide 19:58 Rob brings up the importance of digging up the root causes 20:50 Are we going to prioritize true impact or are we going to prioritize self-preservation? What do we do when those two things do not go hand in hand? 22:04 In the context of philanthropy, we need to stop trusting white people to solve black people’s problems 25:11 What does it mean historically for white men to want to preserve their own places 25:21 Have we learned to love our spaces in our boxes so much that we aren’t willing to live uncomfortably? 26:01 America is denying its own reality of racism 27:41 Jes asks about what advice would you give somebody to someone who wants to get involved in the white-dominated nonprofit sector? 29:06 Link up with already existing organizations, don’t try to start from scratch 30:07 We have to understand if we have a mission we believe in, we have to figure out how to capitalize on that 30:49 Rob asks Harvey about where is hope come froms 31:28 Harvey says that his hope comes from his two daughters and the idea that right now they don’t have opportunities 34:17 Harvey recognizes that he isn’t someone who is able to sit on the sideline because he wants to be fighting 35:43 What is the point of all of the effort 36:39 Jes asks about what listeners can take away and what they can do as a next step 46:51 Harvey encourages people to work where they are, starting with deep reflecting 37:07 “I can’t wait to see white people work in white spaces” 39:05 Harvey signs off conversation 39:11 Jes shares her takeaways 40:30 Rob shares his takeaways 42:01 “A good white leader is a good white follower” 42:25 What does it look like to step down and step back to allow a leader of color to step in? 43:47 Sign-off 53:54 Outro 44:12 Preview of next show