Jill Vialet (Founder of Playworks) joins Phil to discuss her new book; Why Play Works - Big Changes Start Small. In this conversation Jill shares;

• Her introduction to play and how she forged a career in this industry

• A story about a colleague interacting with a school that didn't have recess

• How the research supports the importance of play

• The activity that she often ends her programs with.

Find out more about Playworks - playworks.org

Find out more about Jill - jillvialet.com