With COP27 in full swing and concerns about the winter energy supply in Europe, Michael Liebreich and Christoph W. Frei had a discussion about solutions at present and how to tackle energy demands in the future.

"Energy security has to be at the heart of the transition."

"What concerns me is the amount of materials needed for this transition. We cannot have a situation where some wealthy countries become #netzero while pillaging the rest of the world for these materials."

"We underinvest in the electrification of heat, transport and biopathways."

“Heat pumps are a magical technology.”