Journalist Raf Epstein talks to Steve and Rob about the societal impact of Covid-19. With his decades-long experience as an ABC journo, Raf sheds light on the pandemic from his perspective as a seasoned news-caster. How is that Australia fared so much better than some other countries? How does Raf remain impartial in interviews? What's wrong with Rob's idea for a Nobel Prize in Economics? Raf answers these tough questions and more. With presenters Rob Selzer and Steve Ellen. Warning: some f-bombs are dropped during this conversation.

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