Dana is joined by Tony Obert, 47-year-old father, husband, and self-improvement enthusiast from Weymouth, MA.

0:00-6:15: Intro and getting to know Tony

6:16-8:35: We talk CARS

8:36-15:35: Entering the career, teaching + learning, union musings

15:36-20:07: Subcultures & Diversity in work and life

20:08-24:57: Alan Watts, We Get Philosophical

24:58-30:33: Creativity, Tony's photography (@concretelust)

30:34-37:42: Spirituality, religion, and insight

37:43-48:00: The afterlife, dream interpretation, gurus

48:01-end: We work on our 5 year plans