This week, I'm joined by guest Matt Phillion as we discuss the resurgence of role-playing games.

Show notes:

  • Recorded in Salem, Mass.

  • Last time we recorded for the show was two years ago

  • Time is passing quickly

  • Jay: Going into the office once a week now

  • Matt: It was an extrovert's world for a long time

  • Matt's still writing YA books

  • Matt has been running Dungeons & Dragons games since pandemic started

  • Unprepared for the number of people who wanted to jump in

  • Matt: Didn't have enough friends to play in high school

  • Was going to start doing it for corporate retreats when COVID hit

  • A legal dispute over licensing with Hasbro

  • Jay: Was a total comics nerd in high school

  • D&D made a comeback thanks to Stranger Things

  • A D&D movie is coming out with Chris Pine

  • Tom Hanks starred in Mazes & Monsters, a "Satanic panic" movie about D&D

  • Stopped buying comics when there were bills to pay

  • Matt: Plenty of non-D&D role-playing games are popular

  • Played Vampire: The Masquerade in the '90s

  • Matt does a podcast called The Ravenfolly Institute that follows D&D campaigns as they happen

  • Matt's super-productive in his spare time

  • Working on an "adult" gritty fantasy book

  • Book industry is in "dire need of reform"

  • The first of Matt's books is getting an audiobook

  • Struggling to get through Dune (the book)

  • Matt's learning how to play a Dune role-playing game

  • Listens to a lot of RPG podcasts; helps you learn the game

  • D&D has had peaks and valleys of popularity since the mid-70s

  • On its 5th edition; went back to older style but streamlined

  • The stigma of being a nerd is gone now

  • Board games in general have become popular again

  • You get what you put into playing RPGs

  • A lot of mystery-themed games

  • Matt: Storytelling is storytelling, whether it's books or RPGs or podcasts

  • Matt's the D&Dealer

  • Gotta have the "math rocks"

  • Also does sister podcast Characters & Class

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The opening and closing theme of Completely Conspicuous is "Theme to Big F'in Pants" by Jay Breitling. Voiceover work is courtesy of James Gralian.