Bill spoke with Heather MacDonald about the current state of policing in America according to the numbers. Heather is the Thomas W Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, contributing editor of City Journal and a New York Times bestselling author. Her most recent book is "The Diversity Delusion: How Race and Gender Pandering Corrupt the University and Undermine Our Culture". Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices