in our first episode, the SWGL crew travels to San Francisco to meet with Dr. Kelsey Crowe, an empathy expert and co-author of There is No Good Card For This. Kelsey walks Graham through several techniques of how to become a better listener, even if he disagrees with the person speaking.

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special thanks to Dr. Kelsey Crowe and her family

to altimeter films and the ayzenberg group

to rob schulte and shauna mcgarry

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