On this very special Christmas episode we play ‘this or that’ holiday edition, our headline is the Bethlehem star, our guests are Dr. Karl Pagenkemper and Ian Willsey, music by Joshua Lillie, and a virtual gift exchange!

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⏱️TIMESTAMPS⏱️ 00:00:00 INTRO 00:07:56 HEADLINES 00:12:03 KARL PAGENKEMPER 00:37:22 unCOMFORTABLE CHRISTMAS BY JOSHUA LILLIE 00:40:42 IAN WILLSEY 01:10:52 VIRTUAL GIFT EXCHANGE