Jeff tuned in to The Infinite Dial 2021 report prior to recording the show and shares what he learned to get Charlie’s reaction. Since 1998, it’s the longest-running survey of digital media consumer behavior in America. A few take-aways: TikTok is gaining ground, surpassing Twitter among some demographics. More people listen to podcasts in groups than you might think. And 57 percent of Americans have listened to a podcast. That’s 162 million people. That and more, including a special mention of the recent passing of Dutch engineer Lou Ottens. He led the team at Philips that changed the audio world in 1963 by introducing a small, portable way to play and record: the cassette.