Join us for this amazing 2 part podcast!

This is a 2 part podcast, if you have not experienced the 1st part, please do!

We have guest Kurtis Robinson on to discuss:

Motivational Interviewing and changeSystemic changeSystems of abuseSocial justiceEmpowerment

This podcast is deeply riveting and full of great, authentic and real conversations! Join us for part 1 and 2!

About Kurtis:

Kurtis S. Robinson is the current Spokane NAACP 1st Vice President and the Political Action Chair For NAACP AOWSAC,  He serves as a Smart Justice Spokane Executive Committee member, Better Health Together Board Member, and  on the board for Just Lead Washington. He was a Wildland Fire Fighter for over 11 years and has served with WA DNR and Spokane

County Fire District 10. Mr. Robinson is a Certified Peer Support, Recovery Coach, Veterans Recovery Coach and Reentry Specialist. He Identifies as a Formally Incarcerated BIPOC male with over 16 years concurrent abstinence from drugs and alcohol and is the first openly Justice Involved individual to serve as a Governor appointed Commissioner to the Criminal Justice Training Commission  for Washington State.

Transcript below!

Hello, and welcome to the Communication Solution podcast. Today, we've got Casey Jackson on the line, John Gilbert, and I'm Tammy. Here at IFIOC. We love to talk communication. We love to talk motivational interviewing, and we love talking about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve.

If you haven't already checked out part one of this podcast, make sure to listen to that first. Welcome to the conversation.

John Gilbert: Hello. Hello. Again, we have a super special guest today and not that other guests aren't special, but we just really love this individual that we have today. His name is Kurtis Robinson and welcome.

And we will be diving in, into possibly a lot of different areas today, as we were just talking about, um, Casey was helping us put up some [00:01:00] guard rails, but we are open to going into lots of places. Lots of possibilities with you today.

Casey Jackson: I I've got, I've got Kurtis. I got to jump in here for a second because there's something that got really clarified for me as you were talking as well. And again, this is from, you know, uh, uh, privileged, Caucasian male perspective. So I know that there's aspects of ignorance to it. What I, the thing that I'm am so aware of in your presence in the way that you show up that I know. Resonates for me wanting to learn more.

And it's some of the core constructs in Motivational Interviewing that I just get obsessed with. And you brought up is equipoise. There is nothing that you do that generates one ounce of defense in me and everything you say is profoundly provocative. And to me, that is that's the level of mastery of Motivational Interviewing that I, you know, when people want to get good or better or proficient or exceptional or mastery of [00:02:00] motivational interviewing.

Most of the time we'll get into kind of Socratic method or we'll get into, um, how can you be provocative and not have, um, and you have mastered in your presence and the work you've done, whatever work you've done. And I don't know the work you've done for yourself. You have mastered it in a way that nearly everything that comes out of your mouth when you're in front of a group is provocative and not one single thing is confrontive.

Like it is it's disarming. It is thought provoking. I just had this, my brain always works in pictures. It's like this invitation into this cave of crystals that is incredibly treacherous. Um, so it's like, well, God, of course, I want to go into, look at all these, these crystals inside of here, and you can do damage to yourself and others.

If you're not paying attention. Well, I can't stand at the cave entrance and go, I don't want to come in. Kurtis just stands there and says, Hey,