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Wow this podcast is full of great insight and conversation as we have guest Jole Monroe on to discuss Juvenile systems and behavior change! You don’t want to miss this 2 part podcast!

We discuss so many great things including:

Values and Behavior changeChanging the Juvenile Systems industry approach to changeEmpathyMotivational InterviewingEmpowermentHow Juvenile systems have changed over the years

Great that you mentioned that Casey about hitting them a harder doesn’t have as much of an impact. It’s not as effective. I was in a training a couple of weeks ago and what they were talking about was [00:01:00] how. There are better outcomes when you’re consistent. So the amount of 30 days versus a couple of days, or, you know, maybe our, our staff are creative.

They have them write papers. They have them watch videos. They have a. You know working on school projects as part of a sanction, instead of just locking kids up. If we have a consistent response to the behaviors that are negatively impacting the youth that has better outcomes than just throwing the hammer out of them every time.

And then it aligns with what the intention of, of. Juvenile rehabilitation. I mean, that’s, that’s what’s so I, I remember I talked about this before, when I was training doc. You know, I I’m literally out at one of the, one of the facilities. I remember making the comment, you all get to choose. Do you want to be department of corrections or do you want to be the department of punishment?[00:02:00]

If you want to be department of punishment, then change your. And it’s the same thing with juvenile real rehabilitation. I mean, it really is focused on rehabilitate. How do we really, the number we look at is reducing recidivism, but we looking at is, which is what these kids to just be go to school, being a normal family, you know, the goods and bads, you know, function, dysfunction and just don’t hurt other people or hurt yourself, you know?

And if we can help that happen a little bit more, I mean, that’s, that’s what rehabilitation should be is that they’re back on track. And, and not as many incidences of where they’re, you know, kind of crossing lines into interfering in other people’s lives in a negative way. So it just that, and now what you’re listening to with even the probation counselor perspective is that’s really what their focus is so much on when you’re hearing about the bus passes and school projects and different ways of looking at sanctions.

It’s just an integrative way of thinking. Yeah, Julie too, with the mention of consistency. It’s so interesting how transcendent that can be, but you’re talking to some degree, I’m [00:03:00] interpreting that you’re alluding to this change in culture that’s happening and being more consistent of the response to what happens.

And so that’s, it sounds like that’s a really, really important shift to the counselor. Like you were talking about Casey from the officer name and that that will create a different culture. And a different organizational system of, you know, who you hire, who you onboard, and then who’s being effective as well with their skillset.

And I really want to just highlight and affirm what you embodied earlier was such a wonderfully in my spirited approach of talking with the parent. And I’m curious to know we don’t have a lot more time, but how you. Also approach these conversations with the youth that might feel like they’re, they have to do things or they’re being forced to do certain things or that they don’t have choices.

And just how you navigate that because you, you obviously, with the parent really came at it from a, strength-based seeing the positive intent behind them, even calling and talking with you and [00:04:00] having empathy for even up to an hour, which is so hard for. Administrators to see the value in for a variety of reasons,