Like everything else on the planet, pubs are struggling. It’s simple pleasures have been beaten down by the complicated virus. The Columnist has a counter meal and talks about what’s next.

Recorded at The All Nations Hotel in Richmond, Victoria. 

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The Columnist is a podcast designed to help us understand what is happening in the world one conversation at a time. 

Justin's debut novel Babies of the Rose is available for pre-order. 

Produced by Jay Mueller as part of the Bad Producer Podcast Network. 

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