Things kick off with a check-in on _Watchmen_. Is John feeling more confident about it? There are MacGuffins inside of MacGuffins. John is still enjoying the Apple TV+ shows, and Merlin thinks expectation deflation can really work in your favor. John didn't remember that Jennifer Aniston was in _Office Space_.

In a related mini-topic, Merlin wants to talk about _The Mandalorian_ as a way to explore what we like about _Star Wars_. Unsurprisingly, John is avoiding a poster, and Merlin gets schooled on the importance and greatness of _Return of the Jedi_. Thank goodness for our fellow fans who grew up to make new _Star Wars_ for us.

John has qualms with Merlin's neologism and doesn't even like when people do that anyway. The summer of 1982 was wild.

Your hosts try to explain live TV to their children. Also: telephones.

Finally, it's time to clear out some more Secret Weird Things People Do. No spoilers. Just…listen.

(_Recorded on Tuesday, November 19, 2019._)