During this pandemic and racial unrest, we've almost forgotten about what is perhaps an even more threatening challenge - that of climate change. In this episode, I had a conversation with Drs. Paula Mazzer and Kayla Miller, about their experiences as scientists and their understanding of the science of climate change.

In the Outro, I discussed the fact that in November of 2022, we'll be celebrating the 50th anniversary of the 1972 McGovern political campaign. I mentioned that if you have personal memories of involvement in that campaign, or personal memories of George and Eleanor McGovern, please use the following link and on the page that comes up, click on the "Messages" option.

https://anchor.fm/joel-allen4

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Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/joel-allen4/message