In this wide-ranging conversion, Ernie and Janet touch on:

• The upside and downside of having powerful mental frameworks
• Apples of Gold's Seeker/Helper model
• Concerns vs Needs
• Design vs Training
• Studying vs Assimilating Scripture

References

• Automated Transcript
• Apples of Gold (Hope and Change for Humpty Dumpty)
• There is no User Error, only Bad Design (Harry Stevens)
• What the Bible says about Assimilation/ Feeding Process (BibleTools)