In this episode I have my friend Isaac Holt on to talk about the Erie Canal and how we look at the idea of progress. I hope this episode moves you to acknowledge both the beauty in material progress and the harm of prioritizing material progress over the rest of our lives. With every conversation, we are talking about history, Jesus' direction in our lives, and what are lives could look like today. We are trying to understand the complexities of life and move ourselves into God's Presence. I hope you enjoy.