We talk to Brian Casel about launching ZipMessage and growing a SaaS business (vs a productize service). We talk to him about his previous business successes, how he got started programming, and how he's thinking about growing ZipMessage.

00:00 Intro

01:08 Brian's backstory

05:35 Scaling by hiring more people

09:40 ZipMessage

12:22 Audience Ops

13:14 Move towards software businesses

18:14 Christian's backstory

20:42 Chris's backstory

21:38 Tech stack: Rails vs React vs Laravel

28:24 ZipMessage company structure

30:26 Business structure: selling just part of an LLC

33:13 What to spending money on

38:18 Freemium

42:44 Buying a Tesla

48:01 Reading books

49:29 Investing thoughts

54:23 Outro

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