In the second episode of the Seedcast podcast by Nia Tero, host Jess Ramirez, inspired by the Pacific Islander wisdom sharing practice of Talking Story, guides a conversation between friends Senator J. Kalani English (Native Hawaiian/Kanaka Maoli) and diplomat Taholo Kami, Senior Pacific Islands Policy Advisor for Nia Tero and Special Representative for Oceans for the Government of Fiji (Tongan, raised in Papua New Guinea, resides in Fiji). Topics range from the exploration and definition of Pacific identity, self-determination, the effect of the COVID pandemic on conversations of Indigenous sovereignty and resilience, and the role of younger generations on the future of Indigenous identity.