Nato Riley takes what others know to be true and is still able to find something hidden below the surface. It’s a mind frame that proves that seeing the invisible is not impossible. Equipped with true XRAY Vision, Nato joins me at the bar to discuss DevSecOps beyond the SDLC, Security Maturity, his homegrown "Olympiad" SIEM, Man VS Machines, and the potential of technology takeover.

Tony the Bartender rigs up a "Carnivore".

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