Our guests Herb & Emma join us on the podcast, they are great friends of ours and the AO Podcast.  Herb & Emma live a life of 100%, they are always keen for learning and this flows through to their family.  Also in this episode we talk race relations, how a few of us love to have open phone calls for hours on end, even when we don't have much to say and we talk how to work relationships when life is busy.

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