Good mates Jo and Mel start a Change JAM chat with looking at the difference between a being in the "growth zone" from being in a "fixed zone, or in the stagnation zone".  They look at the root of all creativity, and consider whether mediocrity is ok, or should we all be aiming to be creative and productive.    They examine whether New Zealand has a lack of business maturity and notice some of the hierarchal management styles that exist as a result of lack of leadership.  

Jo says "Know the difference between Growth and Stagnation.  And employ strategies to get into the growth space".

or

Just keep doing the same old stuff.  Up to you.