The Ahmed Kathrada Foundation has condemned President Ramaphosa's appointment of Dina Pule as Social Development Minister. It also wants urgent clarity on reports of a meeting in India involving former President Jacob Zuma, Ajay Gupta and South Africa's High Commissioner. The Foundation says ethical leadership and accountability are needed to strengthen democratic institutions. For more we are now joined on the line by Neeshan Bolton, Executive Director of the Ahmed Kathrada Foundation