Dr Pali Lehohla has written an article where one of the questions he’s asking is: what Madiba would have thought today as President Cyril Ramaphosa stands before the Zondo Commission? In his article he’s making the point that South Africa is traveling a downward route with our eyes wide open. As far as he’s concerned, which direction is the ANC’s leadership driving the country and how worried should we be as a country?

Guest: Dr Pali Lehohla - Former Statistician-General of South Africa