Joel Segal, co-author of the original Medicare for All bill, executive director of the Justice Action Mobilization Network and national director of the COVID-19 Emergency Response Group, tells hosts Bob Schlehuber and Jamarl Thomas what is clear to all: that the president is in way over his head. Trump was hoping to cruise to reelection on a supposedly booming economy, and with that plan shot down, he’s launched an utterly reckless pandemic response that’s not only killing people but killing the economy. Now more than ever, we see the need for new, more representative leadership, Segal says. The work is getting people moving and involved in electoral processes.