In this episode I talk to Leigh: former biker, shepherd, groundskeeper, and now priest. Leigh's lived a life like no one else, and has a mountain of wisdom to show for it. 

We talk about spiritual experiences, mental health, the concept of priesthood and more. 

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The video version of the podcast is available on YouTube.

Links to some of the things Leigh mentions:

- 'Her gates will never be shut' by Bradley Jersak: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7852948-her-gates-will-never-be-shut

- 'The chosen' TV series: https://studios.vidangel.com/the-chosen