There is a famous, instructive and yet simple Shangaan idiom that holds undeniable truths about life: "mintirho ya vulavula". Loosely translated, it means your work speaks for itself.

When we evaluate the contribution to humanity of those who have departed, or those among us who are still alive, a contestation arises about how to go about it. It gets trickier when we reflect on the lives of popular personalities.

Guest: Zenzo Moyo is a researcher at the Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection

Guest: Joshua Maponga - Cultural Activist and Writer