In this episode of the O'Reilly Podcast, Fluent Conference Speaker Series chair and author Kyle Simpson sat down with Brian Holt, a senior cloud developer at Microsoft. Holt will be teaching a training course, A Complete Introduction to React" and hosting a session "10 KB or bust: The delicate power of webpack and Babel" at the O'Reilly Fluent Conference in June. Simpson and Holt discuss the winding road to finding your way in the software industry, new changes to React, and optimizing the end user experience.