This week, Obama as we've never seen him before at the Democratic National Convention.

Geraldine and Eliza discuss new ways to communicate after COVID-19.

Books, podcasts and War of the Worlds - a bleak TV show that Eliza is about to give up on.

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The Noise of Time - Julian Barnes https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/534484/the-noise-of-time-by-julian-barnes/9781101971185/readers-guide/

The Year of Magical Thinking - Joan Didion https://www.amazon.com.au/Year-Magical-Thinking-Joan-Didion/dp/1400078431

When America Stopped Being Great - Nick Bryant https://www.penguin.com.au/books/when-america-stopped-being-great-9781760896232

I Catch Killers - Gary Jubelin https://www.harpercollins.com/products/i-catch-killers-gary-jubelin?variant=32114102108194