Silver On the Sage: Recent Episodes
Hosted by: Caitlin Lowe
Join us as we share, celebrate, and preserve the stories of those impacted by their time on staff at Philmont Scout Ranch!
Mark joins the show today, sharing a multitude of stories and tangents. If you're lamenting that summer is nearing an end, this episode will give you a good dose of nostalgia, adventure, and authenticity to carry you through.
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Growing up at the Double Z Bar Ranch with Philmont as his backyard - Parker's love for the cowboy way of life, his love for burros, and love for the people came easy. Parker shares stories from his two summers on seasonal staff, and praises the Ranch Department for it's dedication to teaching skilled horsemanship, mental fortitude, and how to read the play.
Philmont Experience:
2010 - Wrangler
2011 - Wrangler
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Dr. Luke Arnold joins the show to discuss Philmont's mental health program. Luke helped pilot the program, and it is now in year 4 of progressive success. From leadership training, walk-in sessions and telehealth to crisis consultations, weekly mental health submissions to the PhilNews, and more. What began as a program for staff quickly transitioned to include participants.
Philmont Experience:
1991 – CHQ Activities/Welcome Center Staff
1992 – Crater Lake PC
1993 – Black Mountain PC
1996 – French Henry CD
1997 – Baldy Town CD
2023 – Philmont Mental Health Specialist
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Kate shares insights from her time on seasonal and full-time staff as the current Marketing Manager. From crew photos, website design, and social media to event coverage, graphics, PhilNews publications and more - Kate's days are never one in the same.
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Yvonne's unique background in Polish Scouting, alongside her attitude to eagerly jump in when opportunity knocks - allowed her to flourish in the Ranch Department. Today she is a Certified Journeyman Farrier, with the American Farriers Association.
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Enjoy a special compilation episode to highlight the impact of the Philmont Rayado Trek Program - celebrating 50 years this summer, 2026.
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Wrapping up our Rayado Trek Series with Sam DeFrees and Piper Niehaus. Rayado Trek Coordinators in 2010, the duo shares an insightful, behind the scenes understanding of the work it takes to logistically and intentionally execute the Rayado program each summer.
This summer, July 23-26, Philmont is celebrating 50 years of Rayado. I hope to see you there!
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Mark Anderson delivers a meaningful interview discussing all things Rayado - history, philosophy, and the program's evolution over the last 50 years. Mark has dedicated 43 years of his career to professional Scouting, 19 of which he spent as the Director of Program at Philmont Scout Ranch. He continues to volunteer his time to Scouting, and has been an immeasurable asset to the movement as a whole.
This summer, July 23-26, Philmont is celebrating 50 years of Rayado. I hope to see you there!
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As the chief Ranger from 1974 through 1977, Dave was an integral part of implementing several positive changes in the ranger department under the leadership of Joe Davis. Author of several books, Caffey has dedicated his talents to preserving the legacy and impact of Philmont and her people.
This summer, from July 23-26, Philmont is celebrating 50 years of the Philmont Rayado program. Rayado alumni, friends of Rayado and the PSA are making scholarships available to help Rayado family - young and old - join the gathering!
Photo credit: Jonathan A. Meyers
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As a young Ranger, Steph was breaking gender role barriers, and proving to herself and to others, just how capable young adults are when given the opportunity to lead.
Today's episode kicks off our Rayado Trek Series. This series will highlight the history and impact of Rayado in anticipation for Rayado's 50th Anniversary Reunion, happening this summer at Philmont Scout Ranch.
Philmont Experience:
1984 & 1985: Trek participant
1986: Ranger
1989: 2nd year Ranger - Mountain trek and Rayado
1990 & 1991: Training Ranger
1992: Assistant Chief Ranger (ACR)
1993: Rayado Trek Coordinator
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Dave is the current Director of Ranching and Conservation at Philmont Scout Ranch. He shares that Philmont aims to be a leader in land management, stewardship, and conservation. Philmont is raising the bar, and doing so in large part thanks to the dedicated and driven staff - both seasonal and full time.
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Friar chats about his love for the more remote backcountry camps, his fondness for burros and llamas, and the entertaining nature of telling yarns.
Philmont Experience
1983 & 1985 - Trek Participant
1986 - CHQ food service
1987 - PC Clark’s Fork
1988 - PC Clear creek
1989 - PC Clear creek
1990 - CD French Henry
1991 - CD Clear Creek
1992 - CD French Henry
1993 - CD Clear Creek
1994 - CD Miranda
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Today we are celebrating our 200th episode with Chris Werhane. Chris works with the Disabilities & Special Needs community, including the Philmont Zia trek program.
Philmont Experience:
1982 Maintenance – Base Camp
1983 Pueblano PC
1984 Kit Carson PC
1985 French Henry PC
1986 Clear Creek PC
1987 Pueblano (CD)
1988 Clear Creek (CD)
1989 Miranda (CD)
1990 Clear Creek (CD)
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Celebrating Chuck Enloe's 31 years of Service - January 9, 2026. May an end of an era give birth to the continuation of a legacy so rooted in the reverence of work worth doing - that all who went before and all who are yet to come honor it as deep as blood, as family.
Philmont Experience
1968-1970 - Trek participant
1971 - Dining Hall Staff
1972 & 1975 - Wrangler
1976 - 1980 - Horseman
1983 & 1992 - Horseman
1992 - 1993 - Kanik Season
1995 - 1998 - Full time Fence Crew
1999 - 2001 - Fence Crew / Ponil Horseman
2002 - 2019 - Cowboy
2019 - 2026 - Livestock Foreman
Notable MentionsDave Kenneke
Andrea Watson
Dr. John Alexander
Miller Adams
Don Connealy
Degus Wright
Dawson Enloe
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Hey listeners - welcome back to Silver On the Sage Podcast. Today I get to chat with Russ Walliser. We discuss everything from how the podcast prompted Russ to apply to work at the ranch, to the upcoming Rayado Reunion, and more.
Philmont Experience:
2017 - Trek participant
2019 - Trek participant
2023 - Ranger
2024 - Ranger on Rayado
2025 - Ranger Trainer, Autumn Guide
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Snow Day episode! In honor of the precipitation - please enjoy this month's extra episode, with Ryan Jackson, current Associate Director of Camping at Philmont Scout Ranch.
Today's episode is sponsored by the National Scouting Museum. The NSM exists to preserve and present the history and stories of Scouting in interesting, educational, and inspirational ways to visitors, both in person and virtually.
Scouting Experience:
Broad Creek Memorial Scout Reservation, Whiteford, MD
-Counselor In Training - 2011
-Scoutcraft Staff - 2012
-Council Camping Director/Camp Director - 2021-2024
Summit Bechtel Reserve, Glen Jean, WV
-Camp Commissioner (High Adventure) - 2014
-Camp Commissioner (Scout Camp) - 2015-2016
-Base Camp Manager - 2017-2019
-Program Operations & Logistics Support (POLS) Director - 2020
Philmont Scout Ranch
-Winter Base Camp Manager - 2021
-Associate Director of Camping - 2024-Present
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Today's episode celebrates the special bonds that we create with the people we meet on staff and on the trail. Kat and Ryan share their story of growing up and finding each other among those special hills.
Check out Dawn Chandler's weekly emails: TuesdayDawnings. They are a free, weekly tonic of contemplation, curiosity & creativity.
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To help us celebrate the podcast's birthday and kick off our 6th year highlighting the impact of Philmont Scout Ranch - my kiddos Gillian, Louise, and Dawson join the show. They candidly share the little and grand moments that sparked magic during their first visit to those special hills we call home.
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What is a Riding Counselor? Stick around to find out. Kip shares stories of his experience in the Ranch Department in the early 1970s - including an exchange with Boss Sanchez, an encounter with the Grey Rider, and the task of learning each horse by its unique name. He's volunteered for his local council for over 50 years, and is an avid supporter of time well spent in the outdoors.
Philmont Experience:
1970 - Riding Counselor
1971 - Wrangler
1994 - Trek Advisor
1999 - Trek Advisor
2014 - Autumn Trek
2017 - Autumn Trek
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Jenna's three week Rayado experience as a participant, and learning to expect unexpected - set her up for career success as a travel nurse, especially in the ER. We chat about nuanced topics such as the Philmont sibling relationship, imposter syndrome, the multifaceted dynamics of being a Camp Director, and the lore of El Jenkins - an obscure painting that was the catalyst for a summer long prank.
Philmont Experience
2013 - 12 day trek
2015 - Rayado
2017 - PC Cimarroncito
2018 - PC French Henry / TSI
2019 - PC Cyphers Mine
2021 - CD Cyphers Mine
Fall 2021 - Infirmary
2022 & 2023 - Volunteer Infirmary
2024 - Infirmary Driver & Nurse
2025 - CD Pueblano
2026 - BCM
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Today Jake Koch joins the show to chat about his experiences on seasonal and full-time staff at Philmont Scout Ranch. Thank you for being here, and for partaking in this experience. Cheers to our last episode of 2025!
Philmont Experience:
2005: 12-day Trek participant
2009: 12-day Trek participant
2010 PC - Apache Springs
2011 PC - Head of Dean
2012 TBA PC - Cimarroncito
2013 CD - Miners Park
2014 CD - Clarks Fork / Autumn Adventure Guide
2015 CD - Cimarroncito / Winter Adventure Guide
2015 PTC Autumn Staff
2016:PSA Office Staff
Full-Time - 2016-2021: Assistant Manager Tooth of Time Traders
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Warren trekked and worked on staff in the 1970s, returned in the 80s to manage PTC Family Programs, and has been a major contributor to the PSA including President, editor, author, and more.
Sponsorship
This episode is proudly sponsored by the National Scouting Museum, whose mission is to showcase the history and stories of Scouting in interesting, educational, and inspirational ways, both in person and virtual.
Philmont Experience
1974 - Trek participant
1975 - Kit Carson Men (now Rayado) participant
1975 - Trail hire: Ponil barkeeper
1976 - Ranger / USAFA Training Ranger
1977 - Training Ranger (now Ranger Trainer)
1978 - Rayado Trek Coordinator
1979 - Camp Director – Crater Lake
1981-1983 - Manager – Brooks Lodge – Katmai National Park, Alaska
1984-1985 - PTC Manager of Family Programs
1985 - Editor - Philmont Fieldguide
1985-1990 - Editor – High Country
1994-1998 - PSA Vice President of Membership
1998-2002 - President – Philmont Staff Association
2003 - Editor and Contributor – Tales from the High Country (Best of…collection)
2007 - Editor and Contributor – More Tales From The High Country
2011 - Author - I Wanna Go Back – Stories from the First 50 Years of the Philmont Rangers – First Edition
2013 - Author - I Wanna Go Back – Stories from the First 50 Years of the Philmont Rangers – Second Printing
2017 - Author - Print The Legend – Novel set in Philmont country
1985-2025 - Various roles with High Country. Contributing Writer
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In September of 2025 I had the privilege of participating in the second week of the PSA Beaubein Service Corps Project. The construction of the new Staff Dining Hall was made possible thanks to the many service corps volunteers, the Philmont maintenance team, and generous donors.
Throughout the week, I recorded bits and pieces of the physical work being accomplished and the stories being told. I hope you enjoy these highlights I’ve curated in an attempt to capture the immeasurable impact that Philmont Scout Ranch continues to have on my life, and the lives of many others.
Notable Mentions:
Jeff Wallick
Elizabeth Morgan
Liv Cunningham
Badger Caster / Colin Potluri
Jack on porch swing
Christening meal - Colin Potluri
Tim Greminger
Campfire - Jeremy, Liv, Ron and Cunningham, Caitlin Lowe, Colin Potluri
Closing - Curtis Seifert
Dedication - Chris Vahlkamp
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Today’s guest, John Richardson, brings enthusiastic insights and an eagerness to share his experiences as a participant and coordinator of the Philmont Leadership Challenge. PLC hones the skills taught in Wood badge and promotes the concepts of servant leadership in an outdoor experiential learning environment.
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Carl worked on staff in the 1970s, in the Ranger department. Notably, in 1976, he was assigned to be a Coordinator of the newly named “Rayado” program, alongside Ian Sutherland.
Today, he is excited to be a part of the planning committee for the upcoming 50th anniversary of the Rayado Program. This event will take place at Philmont July 23-26, 2026. There will also be a Rayado themed 7-day trek option from July 19-26.
Philmont Experience:
1973 - Overnight visit to Philmont
1974 - Ranger
1975 - Training Ranger
1976 - Rayado Coordinator of new Rayado Program
2010 - Fly Fishing seminar
2004, 2006, 2010 - Trek advisor
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Today we share a special episode to celebrate Día de los Muertos. I want to thank everyone who took time out of their busy schedules to contribute and honor their loved ones.
Día Muertos dates back centuries to pre-Hispanic cultures and blends indigenous, African, and catholic traditions - it has become one of the most significant and multicultural celebrations in Latin America.
Sponsorship
This episode is proudly sponsored by the National Scouting Museum, whose mission is to showcase the history and stories of Scouting in interesting, educational, and inspirational ways, both in person and virtual.
Notes:
Emily Dickinson interpretation Source: Leanne With Purpose
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Honorary Philmont staff member, Sal Porto joins the show to share his insights and experiences from the past 10 years trekking as an adult leader. Today he is a Philmont Ambassador, life long scouter, and skilled advisor.
Philmont Experience:
2013 - Trek Advisor
2014 - Trek Advisor
2015 - Trek Advisor
2016 - Trek Advisor
2019 - Trek Advisor
2021 - Trek Advisor
2022 - Trek Advisor
2023 - Trek Advisor
2024 - Trek Advisor
2025 - Trek Advisor
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In this episode, we chat about Mike's seasonal experiences in logistics, Baldy lightning strikes, and the happy chaos of running big camps like Cito.
Mike arrives with prompt intention, as we sip coffee, and discuss life goals - like how to take a leap into a new career or a new creative outlet.
Mike has published his first novel, The Long Walk Home. Check it out in the link below, pre-order your copy, and get excited.
Novel: The Long Walk Home
Aubrey's Blog: Mountain Girl Goes
Red River Valley Charter School
Philmont Experience:
1984 - Trek participant
1990 - PC French Henry
2004 - Logistics II
2005 - CD Cimarroncito
2006 - Logistics Assistant Manager - Trip Planning
2007 - Logistics Assistant Manager - Communications
2008 - 2013 Backcountry Manager
Notable Mentions
Greg Mako
Chris Werhane
Greg Friar Senseman
Jag McLaughlin
Dirty Larry
Dean Tooley
John Clark
Dick Mahalek
Own McCulloch
Charlie Nutter
Lee "Blue" Price
Julie Vigil Smith
Dwight Stein
Chris Sawyer
Cliff Eade
John Celley
Mark Anderson
Sarah Burgess
Ashley Pagnotta
Bin Lizzo
Christine Grauer
Justin Kernes
Aubrey Ritterhouse Harper
Tucker Baker
Kira Rednizack
Matt Wineland
Zac Crawford
Ross Robinson
Jada Day
Regina Engle
Doug Palmer
Sam Senseman
Bucko Cowden
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Kicking off Season 10 of Silver On The Sage Podcast! To celebrate, the legendary Eric Voss joins the show. Voss and I chat about the precious solitude of the remote backcountry in the 90s, 4th of July mishaps, cold beer, and more. Voss made a substantial impact while at the ranch, through his positive energy and epic harmonica skills showcased on the Tobasco Donkeys albums.
Philmont Experience:
1984 - Trek participant
1988 - Merchandise Warehouse staff
1989 - PC Cyphers Mine
1990 - PC Pueblano
1991 - PC Miranda
1992 - CD Cyphers Mine
1994 - CD Pueblano
1997 - CD Beaubien / Autumn Adventure
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Scott discusses his work with the Philmont Ambassador Program. He also shares stories of burros and bears - and log rolling at Crater lake during his time on trek as a participant in the 70s.
Interested in becoming a Philmont Ambassador? Check out the Ambassador Resources here.
Philmont Experience:
1975 - Trek Participant
2006 - Trek Advisor
2013 - Trek Advisor
2018 & 2021 - Wood Badge Staff
2018 - Present - Philmont Ambassador
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In this episode, we chat about Tim's experience as a scout and USAFA Ranger. Tim is the current Vice President of Service for the Philmont Staff Association. From Phil-break and Volunteer Vacation to Service Corps and Special projects, if you're looking for a way to give back and go back to the ranch - this episode is for you!
Philmont Experience:
1983 - Trek participant
1984 - Trek participant, crew leader
1986 - Rayado participant
1989 - USAFA Ranger
1990 - Ranger Trainer, USAFA Ranger
1994 - USAFA Ranger
Notable Mentions:
Roch Roarbacher
Sam Lee
Johnathan Houk
Brian Burns
Mike Larson
JJ Stevens
Tim Rossiesen
Kevin Stickleman
Phil Winegardener
Shelley and Tim O'Neill
Dollie O'Neil
Al Taylor
Tim Castor 'Badger'
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Inviting you to help us celebrate Dia De Los Muertos on the podcast!
Please send in a audio recording of a story, a memory, or a lasting impact of a deceased loved one from Philmont Scout Ranch or surrounding New Mexico area. Many of us have been touched by those larger than life figures - such as Gene Schenll, Doug Palmer, Joe Davis, Bob Funk, and more - but please feel free to include family members who trekked at the ranch, visitors, etc. This episode is not limited to staff members only.
Most smart phones have a voice recording app, so simply find a quiet space, press record, share your memory, save the file, and email it to silveronthesagepodcast@gmail.com. If you'd rather send in a written submission I am more than happy to record it for you and include it in the episode. If you feel inspired to send in a song, poem, or i-camp in honor of a loved one, that is absolutely welcomed as well.
Please send audio and written submissions to me by Monday, October 20th.
With your help and participation - this episode will air on Dia de los muertos, which is celebrated on November 1st and 2nd.
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Dan Edwards, ironically hated backpacking until his first Philmont trek, where he learned to love it. Specifically he learned to be comfortable being uncomfortable - because morale was so high and the backcountry camp camaraderie and activities were so impactful.
Philmont Experience:
2006 - Trek Participant
2012 - Ranger / Assistant Cook Beaubien
2013 - PC Crater Lake
2014 - PC Clarks Fork
2015 - CD Black Mountain / Autumn Adventure Guide
Notable Mentions:
Ry Taylor
Chris Sawyer
Owen McCulloch
Myles
Will
Dylan McDermott
Gene Schnell
Phil Lewis
Jada Day
Zach Brand
Matt Groff
Daniel
Karl
Jake Koch
Zac Garmoe
Lela and Sean Murphy
Justin Kernes
Ted Cook
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Thirty-five summers ago Gretchen followed her cousin out to Philmont Scout Ranch hoping to be offered a job. Fate rewarded her, and she spent four summers working at Camping headquarters dining hall. Rather than bagging peaks and hiking expansive distances, Gretchen valued making connections with staff and campers daily in the dining hall. She fell in love with Philmont Scout Ranch, where learned to live her faith out loud.
Philmont Experience:
1990 - CHQ kitchen
1991 - CHQ Kitchen Assistant Manager
1992 - CHQ Kitchen Assistant Manager
1994 - CHQ Kitchen Assistant Manager
Notable Mentions
Chris Werhane
Dave Werhane
Cindy Werhane
Diana Loomis
Charley "Red"
Andrew
Matt Werhane
Will Hawkins
Laura Hood
Nancy Davis
Kerri Kosmiki
Dean Tooley
Doug Palmer
Eric Micahel Dale
Reggie Jayne
Tim Fraylick
Larry McLaughlin
Daisy Dix
Garth
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Brian Hobrock is Philmont's current Ranch Department Livestock Technician and Chase Ranch cowboy. As a young wrangler in the 80's, Brian encountered challenging moments that resulted in resilience and commitment to the cowboy way of life. He shares stories as Bucky the Burro wrangler at Miranda, and how after 20 years away from the ranch, the mountains were still calling.
Philmont Experience:
1981 - Trek participant
1983 - Wrangler / Burro wrangler - Miranda
1984 - Wrangler
1987 - Wrangler / UU Bar Autumn
2021 - Livestock Technician / Chase Ranch cattle & irrigation
Notable Mentions:
Ben Vargas
Rod Taylor
Bob Knox
Bob & Rachel Ricklefs
Boss Sanchez
Chuck Enloe
Susan Hobrock
Joe Higgins
Curly "Doug" Seamans
Aaron Kenny
John Mal
Chuck Pledge
Spider
Lucas Long
Dave Kenneke
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Harold is a National Scouting Professional and museum specialist at the National Scouting Muesum. He wears many hats, tending to exhibits, collections, electronic displays, virtual tours, and more. He is also the creator of the popular Artifact of the Week video series, which highlights the history, culture, and influences of Philmont Scout Ranch and surrounding New Mexico areas.
Philmont Experience:
2016 - 2018 - PTC Faculty, NAYLE and PLC staff
2018 - NAYLE Course Director
2018 - Logistics Trip Planner / Dining Hall (Ute Park Fire)
2019 – 2021 - Museum Specialist, seasonal, year-round
2021 - National Scouting Museum full-time
Notable mentionsTom Guini
Tracy Waters
Dr. John Alexander
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Troy credits Philmont for diversity exposure, alongside an environment of staff camaraderie and solidarity. He shares numerous stories including the Flip SAR incident, the Cypher's Mine Dirty Boys, and a tobasco donkey spa day gone wrong.
Philmont Experience:
1986 - NJLIC (the National Junior Leader Instructor Camp)
1987 - Rayado participant
1988 - Trail Crew participant
1989 - CHQ Trading Post Staff
1990 - Ranger
1991 - A-team / Ranger
1993 - PC Cypher’s Mine
1994 - ACD Beaubien
2025 - Scouts, USA Professional Staff Reunion
Notable Mentions:
Nancy Nelson
Hunter Seim
Tiffany Stoeber
Kelly Peterson
Karl Dawes
Dirty Larry McLaughlin
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Today I chat with third generation Philmonter, Will Kemple-Taylor. Both his grandparents and parents worked at the ranch. And He grew up creek stomping in the Uracca, building forts in scrub oak, and embodying the notion of wild and untamed.
In this special episode to kick off summer, Will chats about youthful pranks gone wrong, the good vibes of backcountry shows, award winning Camp Directors, epic Phil-fiestas, a surprising twist after returning late from days off, the orchestration of scatter, and more.
Philmont Experience
2001 - Trek participant
2003 - Maintenance
2006 - PC Beaubien
2007 - PC Pueblano
2014 - Bear Researcher
Notable Mentions
Robin Tate Walters (formerly Taylor)
Rod & Patty Taylor
Jim Taylor
Ry Taylor
Mark Griffin
Kirsten Anderson
Mathias Olson
Dawson Enloe
Mark and Linda Anderson
Dave Kennke
Steve Rick
Keith Walters
Bucko Cowden
Sal Huddleston
Laney Williams
Carter Johnson
David Yoshida
Karl Zensen
Phil Lewis
Bryce Blankenship
Austin Best
Will Bar
Sal
Slim Uribe Goertz
Mark Emde
David Burchfield
Gretchen Kemple-Taylor
Dave Werhane
Bob Rickleffs
Sarah Burgess
Benjamin Phillip Carluche
Paul and Katherine Bearenson
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Max Wang is a life long-Scouter and Eagle Scout. His scouting journey has taken him from one cost to another, and today he continues to be active in Sea Scouts in Arlington, VA. Max recounts impactful stories from his time on trek as a participant, and highlights the various transferable skills he learned while working in Logistics in 2017 - including emergency management and incident command. All of which he utilized when he enlisted in the United States Coast Guard.
Philmont Experience
2012 - Trek participant
2014 - OA Trail Crew
2017 - Logistics Staff
Notable Mentions
Eric Martinez
Regina Engle
John Mark Lampley
Josiah Devoe
Sid Covington
Sara Sutter
Cory Mullens
Grant Reigleman
David O'Neill
Tom Guigni
Mark Anderson
Nate Lay
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Mark joins the show to highlight the sustainable impact and dedicated work that the Philmont Service Corps has accomplished throughout the last year and a half. In the second portion of our conversation, Mark shares a collection of stories from his many, many experiences at Philmont Scout Ranch.
Philmont Experience:
Trek - 1978 1979 1991 2022
Rayado Trek - 1980
1981 Food Service
1982 83 Ranger
1984 Miners Park PC
1985 Head Rock Dean Cow
1986 88 CD Miners Park
1987 CD Cimarroncito
1989 CD Ponil
PSA Trek 1992 93 95 97 98 99 2000 01 03 05 06 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 19 21 23
PSA Service Corps Fall and Spring 2024
PSA Life Member
Member of Scholarship Committee
Past PSA Director
Notable Mentions:
Harry Owens
Pierce Ramsey
Betty Pechaco
Ken Block
Dr. Van Allen
McCarthy Sisters
Joey Fernandaz
Tom Washburne
Sam and Lucky Fannama
Joy and Willa Pendley
Mitch Standard
Dave Schweer
Joe Schmit
Doug Palmer
Holly Schweer
Kat Hansen
Steve Harmony
Joe Leiz
Charlie Aldredge
Tim Gremiger
Badger Cook
Cliff Wagey
Dean Tooley
Gary Richards
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Today I want to highlight a parent perspective of the impact that Scouting can have on ones family. Specifically the family of Tom and Georgia Stoeber. Tom is a 60 year veteran of the BSA, including 25 years working as a Scouting professional. The values of Scouting and, in particular participating in Philmont treks - gave their children leadership skills, a can do attitude, confidence to engage in conversation, share new ideas, place high value on volunteering, and more.
Rayado Rose: The Roberta Birdie Jayne Scholarship
Philmont Experience:
1992 & 1994 - PTC Key Three Training
1994 - PTC Family Camp
2001 - OA Conference
2016 - Central Region Retirees Reunion
2023 & 2025 - National Professional Retirees Reunion
Notable Mentions
Dirty Larry
Dean Tooley
Gretchen Stoeber
Troy Stoeber
Bonita Tooley
Clyde Mayor
Harold White
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Molly Gatewood joins the show to highlight the important work of the Philmont Training Center Housekeeping department. From bathrooms and luxury tents to the mailroom and Villa Philmonte, the housekeeping staff at Philmont is integral in delivering quality experiences for participants and staff alike. As an avid Scouter - Molly praises the organization for creating opportunities for youth to build character, learn new skills, socialize, travel, and grow in confidence.
Philmont Experience:
2019 - Trek participant
2024 - PTC Housekeeping
Notable Mentions:
Marlin Fuentes
Ben Jenkins
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Today Arizona Duff joins the show. She discusses her first experience on trek, navigating the fundamental challenges and shifts that occur while on the trail. Namely - several moments at Cypher's Mine where she began to feel the love of the Philmont staff family, as they invited her onto the stomp stage to play a tune.
Fast forward to 2018 - Arizona examines her journey in Timber Stand Improvement and becoming a certified Sawyer. The experience grew her appreciation for the work it takes to be good stewards of this land we all love and share.
Today, Arizona is working towards a PhD studying the history of work and labor music. She praises the Philmont music culture as a tool to share - not only history, but also encourage staff and participants to process feelings.
Philmont Experience:
2014 - Regular Trek (South Country)
2015 - Rayado (1st session)
2016 - Hired TBA, Assigned PC Abreu
2017 - Ranger 1
2018 - Cypher's Mine / TSI Sawyer
2019 - CD French Henry
2020 - Hired as CD Pueblano (COVID)
2021 - Hired as CD Pueblano (Had to decline due to family medical needs)
Notable Mentions:
Claire Ficke
Bernard / Alex
Katie Garrett
Maggie McCulloch
Jenna Trione
Marie Montegeau
Lauren Wendell Thomas
Michael Brown
Paul French
Tucker Baker
Trevor Lombardi
Anna Washburne
Sara Kopsa
Emily Bergman
Amber Hollum
Bailey Colson
Elizabeth Doyle
Anna Krune
Kevin Becker
Spencer Harsh
Rachel Henneg
Brian Stokes
Jake Trione
Anne Mary
Drew Chapman
Regina Walker
Adam Graves
Jessie Nelson
Keagan Finger
Colleen McCulloch
Ellyn Washburne Rager
Will Garrison
Evan Stark Dykema
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This year, 2025, the Philmont Training Center will celebrate 75 years of service as the National Volunteer Training center for Scouting America. To commemorate this milestone, PTC staff and volunteers are planning a summer long celebration including a special anniversary week from June 29 - July 5. Today, Dennis Kampa and Nancy Farrell share details, schedules, history and more.
Dennis Kampa email: denkampa@gmail.com
PTC 75th Anniversary information
Philmont Training Center
The Calico Stray
The Other Side of the Road: The Story of the Philmont Training Center - originally published in 2009 (a revision will be published soon). All proceeds have gone, and will continue to go to the Philmont Staff Association.
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Today Kara Noonan Stevens joins the show to share her experiences on staff in the 90s and on staff last summer at the Welcome Center. She describes the Welcome Center as "Philmont's Front Porch." It's where all crews begin their Philmont journey, and hence makes an important first impression. It's also a place where Welcome center staff can work hard and be able to relax enough to realize that its a good thing to not always be busy or hurried. That you in fact can sit and watch the world go by.
Episode Sponsor: Tom Munch
Philmont Experience
1990 - Ranger / Rayado / Mountain Trek / Rent-A-Ranger
1991 - Training Ranger
1992 - CD Dan Beard
1993 - CD Crooked Creek
Notable Mentions:
Steve Hood
Jenny McMann
Cindy Werhane
Terri Heimern
John and Jenny Craig
Buddy Morse
Bryce Stevens
Ellwyn Stevens
Tim Rosseisen
Nick Bliss
Tom Munch
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Dan and Karen Ashton met at Philmont in 1977, and recently celebrated 31 years of marriage. Their story is untraditional and adventurous - much like the paths we traverse in the rugged backcountry hills. The couple shares stories as though we were casually grouped around a campfire, like old friends do.
Philmont Experience Dan:1973 & 1974 – Trek participant
1975 – Kit Carson Man Trek
1976 – CHQ Dining Hall
1977 – Beaubien Cook
Philmont Experience Karen:1975, 77, & 78 – Trek participant
1979 – CHQ Trading Post
1983 – PTC Trading Post Assistant Manager
1984 – PTC Tranding Post Manager
2019 – Museum Docent
Notable Mentions:Henry Wicksen
Charlie Aldredge
Doug & Betty Palmer
Bill Tate
Hans Peterson
Rod Taylor
Steve Zimmer
Dave Kenneke
The Otts
Dean Tooley
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Happy birthday Silver On the Sage Podcast! Today the podcast begins it's fifth year of sharing stories and highlighting the immeasurable impact that Philmont has had on all of our lives.
As of today, the show has totaled 95,000 downloads. We have aired 166 episodes, and reached audiences in over 13 countries, and 315 cities. I'm so honored to continue to host and produce this podcast, and to preserve the history of Philmont and her people.
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David is currently the Director of Wilderness Adventures at Northern Tier, and was formerly a Senior Associate Director of Program at Philmont Scout Ranch. During his thirteen year tenure at Philmont he implemented several new safety and risk management procedures, enhanced Philmont's shooting sports program, expanded backcountry instrument inventory, refined backcountry warehouse usage data, and lead the opening of Metcalf Station.
David praises Scouting for its recent inclusivity efforts - opening the program to all walks of life, and of course the lifelong impact it offers youth.
Philmont Experience:1992 – Two Treks - participant
1995 – PC Apache Springs
1996 – PC Iris Park
2003 – PSA Trek. Hiking through the Ponil fire area.
2011-2024 – Sr. Associate Director of Program
Northern Tier:
2018: Trek with Troop 68, Cimarron (Ute Park Fire closed Philmont)
2024 – Present: Director of Wilderness Adventures
Florida Sea Base:
2017: Volunteer Staff – Post Hurricane Irma recovery team (PSA)
Summitt:
2017 National Jamboree Staff – High Adventure Booth Director
Notable Mentions:Monty Gibson
Brent Smith
Jimmy Lowe
Denise Tony
Brent Smith
Chris Sawyer
Tony Chandless
Doug Lundsford
Donnie Lundsford
Doug Palmer
Mark Anderson
John Van Dreese
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Today we travel to 2012 when Jeremy Cunningham and I, along with several other phenomenal individuals, spent the summer at Beaubien - calling it our home. This episode is special for me because it's the first interview I've done with a fellow staff member. Jeremy and I chat about his one and only summer on staff - the family bond amongst co-workers, working hard to delivery a world class experience for Scouts and advisors, and working hard to enjoy ourselves in our youth - as we all should.
Philmont Experience:2007 - Trek Participant
2009 - Trek Participant (crew leader)
2012 - PC Beaubien
Notable Mentions:Jimmy Lowe
Kim Ford "Mouse"
Gentle Jeff Gamble
Ranger Shawn
Ben Moniz
Nate Nastase
Rachel Aguirre
Dylan McDermott
Van
Dan Edwards
Garrick Lancaster
Teresa
Hannah
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As we close out Season 8 of Silver On the Sage Podcast - I share with you an episode from the vault. In late spring of 2021 I interviewed my sister Claire Ficke. We had intentions to co-host the podcast that summer, but - had to delay the idea. All the same - this episode still holds relevance, meaning, and nuggets of wisdom too good not to share.
Philmont Experience:2013 - PC Beaubien
2014 - PC Cyphers Mine
2015 - ACD Beaubien
2016 - Videographer NPS
Notable Mentions:Austin St. George
Kreable Young
Devyn Healy (Hanselmann)
Caroline Davis
Nathan Ford
Tanner Shaw
Sam Anderson
Ellyn Washburne Rager
Tyler Minchow
Lucy Baker
Nicole Butler
Ted Cook
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In today's episode I get to chat with the current Director of Program at the Philmont Training Center, Maddy Houk. In addition to discussing what this new era of PTC has to offer, we highlight the success of a special project that Maddy is very passionate about - the Zia Experience. The Zia experience is a modified BSA Family Adventure Camp program focusing on giving Scouts with special needs and disabilities, their parent(s), family members, and caregiver(s) new and exciting Philmont adventures.
Philmont Experience:2016 - PTC Craft Center Staff
2017 - PTC Assistant Program Manager
2018 - PTC Program Manager
2019 - PTC Program Manager
March 2021- Present - PTC Director of Program
Notable Mentions:Davilyn McArthur (Rohr)
Caroline Olerich
Caroline Miller
Grant Reigleman
Shelley O'Neill
Nick Hutchinson
Danny Tucker
Amanda Martinez
Shelley O'Neill
Brian Seibert
Chris Werhane
Alisa Hightower
Nate Lay
Kevin Stickleman
Julie Still
Graeme Bagley
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Eric Locklar, known to several of you as Lock, joins the show to share many a story and a heartfelt appreciation for all that Philmont Scout Ranch has given him. From the Ponil Rootbeer challenege to the 1996 Harlan Tornado radio call - Lock embodies the spirit of work hard, play hard. He expresses his dedication to the Philmont scouting experience and to the late Doug Palmer as a mentor and lifelong friend.
Philmont Experience:1986 - Trek participant
1988 - Trek participant
1990 - Trading Post Clerk & Opening Campfire
1991 - Trading Post Manager Ponil
1992 - PC Ponil
1995 - PC Harlan
1996 - CD Harlan
1997 - CD Fish Camp
Notbale Mentions:Bill Spice
Doug Palmer
Spencer Seim
Fred Cribbett
GS Harper
Doug Cram
Cajun
Red
Pat Adams
Rebecca Ellis
Brandon White
Megan Gruellia
Shelley O'Neill
Larry McLaughlin
Roch Roharbacher
Owen McCulloch
Reggie Jayne
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The next 90 minutes will showcase original songs, poems, and stories shared to celebrate the life and impact of Doug Palmer who served as Philmont's Associate Director of Program for over 23 years.
A heartfelt thank you to everyone who submitted content to make this episode possible. Be sure to read the show notes below for set list details.
Set List
1) "The Phil-Sick Blues" - Mark Haechen
2) City Limit Sign - written by Dr. John Alexander and performed with Gayanne Jeffers
3) Cabin Music - Ali Meeks, Andy Gerhart, and Bob Brown
4) Doug Story / Fire and The Sky - Reid Templeton
5) Beaubien Porch - Bob Busch
6) "Green of Dawn" - Dave Liebmann
7) The Other Side - Bonnie Miller
8) Higher Ground - Will Kemple Taylor
9) The Wind and the River - Carly & Dylan McDermott
10) Doug Story - Fred Cribbett
11) "Philmont Land Ahead of Me" - Steve Chase
12) Philmont on my Mind - Warren Smith
13) Little Ditty - Topher Busch
14) "Waiting" - Elizabeth Knapp
15) Alright For Now - Zak Butler
16) Rich Brothers - Grace Wall
17) "Pondering A Ponderosa" - Ali Meeks
18) Where There's Mountains - Becca Fallaw with credit to Finnaghan Stumps
19) Everything You've Grown - Will Kemple Taylor
20) Rayado - David Burchfield
21) "A Young Girl in a Red Hooded Cape" - Anonymous
22) Across The Great Divide - Jack Chinn
23) Winds Change - Claire Ficke and Dylan McDermott
24) Leaving Beaubien - Tom Munch
25) "The Letter" - Tim Rosseisen
26) Tim's Song - Zak Butler
27) Ride With Me Jesus - written by Dr. John Alexander performed by Rod Taylor
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Ever since his experience as a Kit Carson Trek participant in 1972 and working on staff as a Ranger, John has looked for ways to give back to Philmont Scout Ranch. He's done so via his time and dedication to the Philmont Staff Association as the VP of Development and President. John is also a current Ranch Committee member on the facilities task force. Lastly - he remains an active member of his local East Texas Area council.
Philmont Experience:1970 - Trek participant
1971 - Trek participant
1972 - Kit Carson (Rayado) / Trail hire Ranger
1973 - Ranger
1974 - Ranger
2011 - 2014: PSA VP Development
2014 - 2019: PSA President
2022 - Ranch Committee
President of the East TX Area Council BSA.
Notable Mentions:Ed Pease
Tom MacKinny
Jim Lynch
Marianne MacGillivray
Julie Puckett Phillips
Tim Greminger
Dollie O'Neill
Randy Saunders
Mark Anderson
Steve Johnson
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A bonus episode for this month to highlight the historic, spiritual, and otherworldly encounters that many of us have experienced at Philmont Scout Ranch. I want to thank Kathy Schroder, Forky Rudin, and JJ Stevens for sharing their stories and time.
Photo Credit: Christopher Miller, 2019.
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Forrest, better known to some of you as Forky, shares his passion for the Ranger department - including in 1982 when he achieved the triple crown as a Roving Ranger, Rayado Ranger, and Mountain Trek Ranger. Among the more wild and adventurous stories - yes including the bear bite incident - Forky also highlights the deeper experiences he encountered at Philmont - which have shaped his entire life going forward.
Philmont Experience:1976 - Trek Participant
1977 - Trek Participant
1978 - Rayado Trek Participant
1979 - Trek Participant
1980 - PTC Services Staff
1981 - Ranger
1982 - Ranger
1983 - Training Ranger
1984 - Training Ranger
1985 - Rayado Trek Coordinator
1986 - CD Pueblano
1987 - Rayado Trek Coordinator
1988 - CD Cito
2003 - Current - Fly Fishing Invitational Staff Volunteer
2013 - Trek Advisor
2017 - Trek Advisor
Notable Mentions:Marilyn Vargas
Maya Pompeo
Holly Rudin Ingram
Scott Ingram
Mark Fury
Randy Day
Sue Bolin
Shelley Bolin O'Neil
Boss Sanchez
Bob Knox
Little Bob
Sioux Roberts
Laura Lampe Rosiessen
Tim R
Lonesome Dove
Mike Schweeters
Chase Chief Ranger
Brad Sommeral
Brad Newberry
Bob Burns
Mariah Hughes
Lloyd Kunutzen
Mark Chandler
Lee Haddaway "Bear"
GD Werhane
Scott Ingram
Russ Wolf
Cole
Albert Newman
Chaz Gross
Saundy Stockton
Wayne Baker
Johnni Uliberry
Jay Harvey
Lee Hughes
Peter Crook
Pete Costillo
Chase Anderson
Don Horton
Todd Krintz
Bob Longoria
Trigger
Grant Reigleman
Frank Reigleman
Steve Rick
Hunter Seim
Carole Wolf
Roland Pool
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Reid Templeton - original Tobasco Donkeys member and co-author of BSA Topping Out Climbing/Rappelling Manual. Reid deems Philmont as "the gateway job" to careers in leadership and outdoor education. His career today as a leadership, team, and organizational development consultant is rooted in the leadership opportunities he gained from Scouting.
Please hike and climb in approved areas only at Philmont Scout Ranch
Philmont Experience:1992 - Trek advisor 18 year old
1993 - PC Clarks Fork
1995 - PC Miners Park
1996 - Head Rock Dean Cow
1997 - CD Miners Park
1998 - Original member of the “Tobasco Donkeys” Played guitar and sang on Sawin’ on the Strings
1998 - Pre-Season Contractor - Trained rock climbing staff
1999 - Pre-Season Contractor - Trained rock climbing staff
Volunteer 1997 - 2000: Supported the creation and writing of the COPE and Rock Climbing standards at the National Level - Co-Author of Topping Out: A BSA Climbing/Rappelling Manual
2018 - Returned to Philmont to replace technical climbing hardware and check systems/rock quality - bolts/chains etc. add a bolted multi pitch climbing route and long technical rappel around the Miners Park climbing area.
Notable Mentions:Zachary Hanks
Chris Bryant "Red"
Green
Doug Palmer
Gene Schnell
Rob Heyduck
Dirty Larry McLaughlin
Tobasco Donkeys
Bob & Val Brown
Ali Wick Meeks
Eric Voss
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Fred has been a Philmont trek participant, seasonal staff member, full time employee, and dedicated PSA volunteer. In our conversation today Fred shares a myriad of stories and insights - from the infamous 1996 Tornado to interacting with crews at Commissary camps, the long gone tradition of backcountry Philmont cats, getting involved with the Community of Cimarron, and many other seemingly accidental opportunities and friendships that developed during his time at the Ranch.
Philmont Experience:1986 - Trek Participant
1988 - Trek Participant
1990 - Trek Participant, crew leader
1992 – Phillips Junction
1996 – Baldy Town
2005-2007 - PSA Regional Director
2008-2010 - PSA Vice President of Service
2009 – Commissary truck driver
2010 – Seasonal Commissary Manager
2010 – 2015, Maintenance Department Full-Time
Notable MentionsDenice Toney
Gene Schnell
Patrick English
Joey Martinez
John Clark
Jim Kutz
Rally
Wigs
Tony
Ben Herman
Mike George
Erik Lochlar
Randy Saunders
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Seventy years ago in 1954, Joe spent his first year on staff as a wrangler at base camp headquarters. Dr. Armstrong went on to have an extremely successful career in the horse and cattle industry as an international judge, educator, breeder, consultant, coach and competitor. He is also a published author of the book titled: The Horseman's Handbook: Horse Ownership, Care & Enjoyment. When asked "Where did you grow up to be a man" Joe responds - it was Philmont Scout Ranch that started it all.
Philmont Experience:1951 - Trek participant
1952 - Trek participant "Trapping Expedition"
1954 - Wrangler at Base camp
1955 - Wrangler Guided Pack Trip Caravans
1956 - Head Wrangler at newly opened Clark’s Fork Camp
Notable Mentions:John Stokes
Alex "Boss" Sanchez
Leo Martinez
Jack Ferguson
Virgil Moore
Shorty Martinez
Bill Litrell
CE Alexander
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Tim Rosseisen spent 11 summers on staff throughout the 80s and 90s, only to return again as Special Projects Manager in 22, 23, and 24. He shares a lighthearted mix of stories from back in the day, to meaningful experiences since returning to the ranch in recent years. Tim has also been served as the PSA National Director and Vice President of Service for several terms. Lastly, he chats about his involvement with the Fly Fishing Invitational and Disabled Veterans Fishing Program at the ranch.
Philmont Experience:1978, 79, 80, 83 - Trek participant
1984 - Ranger
1985 - PC Cito
1986 - PC Miners Park
1987 - PC Cito
1988 - Head Rock Dean Cow
1989 - CD Dean Cow
1990 - CD Cito
1991 - CD Beaubien
1992 - CD Beaubien
1993 - Health Lodge Director Support Staff
1995 - Health Lodge Director Support Staff
2022 - Special Projects Manager
2023 - Special Projects Manager
2024 - Special Projects Manager
PSA 3 Treks
PSA National Director - 4 terms
PSA VP of Service - 2 terms
Fly Fishing Invitational: 21 years, 17 as Chairman
Disabled Veterans Fishing Program: 11 years, current Program Coordinator
Notable Mentions:Percy Pentecost
Doug Palmer
TW Magnus
Stacey Green
Rod Taylor
Dean Tooley
Chaz Gross
Steve Nelson
Matt Hart
Laura Lampe Rosseisen
Jim Lynch
John Murphy
Mark Stinnett
Doug Palmer
Steve Rick
John Clark
Mark Anderson
Johnny Uliberry
Kerrie Hariston
Forky Rudin
Pete Costello
Carole Wolf
Julie Phillips
Jim MacGilivray
Chris Werhane
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Today Charley Charlie shares her story as a young Explorer trekking at Philmont to a Rayado Ranger, Conservation Forman, and more. After Philmont, she founded two Facebook groups committed to women of high adventure - the groups are the Phemale Alumni and the Phemale Forum. She is a proponent for improved training and preparedness for future Philmont staff, and aspires to build a career in outdoor safety and Wilderness Risk Management.
Philmont Experience:1997 - Trek participant
1998 - Trail Crew Trek participant
2001 - Ranger
2002 - Ranger / Rayado Ranger
2003 - Work Crew Forman
2004 - ROCS
2005 - Mountain Trek Ranger / Ranger
2017 - Phemale Alumnae Facebook page founder
2018 - Security (one week - Ute Park fire)
Notable Mentions:Shawn O'Hara
Julia Repass
Maria Bromley
Karen Kominsky
Laura Gibson
Randa Kelton
Beth Anderson
Links and Info Shared by Charley Charlie:
Email: charley.charlie03@gmail.com
Cell: (480) 341-0030
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/charley-charlie
Missing 411: https://www.youtube.com/user/canammissingproject
Outdoor Self-Defense & Safety: linkedin.com/in/nicolesnell
Respect Outside: https://respectoutside.com/
The Good Men Project: https://goodmenproject.com/the-good-men-project-diversity-and-inclusion-programs/
Dumas & Vaughn: https://dumasandvaughn.com/
Phemale Phorum: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1220782058023904/
Philmont Trek Talk: https://www.facebook.com/groups/455632648316853
Phemale Alumnae: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1729860397316372
Phil-staff Alumni: https://www.facebook.com/groups/3089802194473570
Educational:https://strandsquared.com/training-topics/
https://www.togetheroutdoors.com/
https://www.responderalliance.com/all-training
https://www.americaoutdoors.org/membership/diversity-equity-inclusion/
https://camberoutdoors.org/programs/
https://catharsisproductions.com/programs/
https://www.greenmuslims.org/
https://remakingmanhood.com/
https://intersectionalenvironmentalist.com/work-with-us
https://www.linkedin.com/in/charles-matheus-speaker/
https://equityandagency.com/training
https://www.outdooristoath.org/workshop
https://uscenterforsafesport.org/training-and-education/safesport-courses-for-all/
https://courses.viristar.com/
https://www.nols.edu/en/risk-services/wilderness-risk-management-conference/
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Mark Stinnett joins the show to discuss his extensive involvement with and dedication to Philmont Scout Ranch and Scouting alike. We chat about his role as the Editor of the award winning PSA High Country magazine, his experiences on Ranch Committee, several wild backcountry bear encounters, and more. We also highlight the PTC Course that Mark Stinnett and Mark Anderson have led each summer since 2022, called "Philmont History - The Land, The People, The Saga."
Philmont Experience:Ranger (1975)
Program Counselor (Western Lore), Beaubien (1976)
Camp Director, Clarks Fork (1977)
Camp Director, Harlan (1978)
Trek Advisor (1979 and 2013)
Kanik Trek Advisor (2011)
Member, National Camp Inspection and Assessment Teams (various, 2000-2018)
Member, Rayado Restoration Task Force (2010-2014)
Member, Valle Vidal Task Force (2004-2006)
Conference Chair and Faculty Member, PTC Fall Conference – Outdoor Programs (2010)
Philmont Staff Association (Life Member):
President (1994-1997)
National Director (1990-1993)
Editor, High Country Magazine (1998-2008; 2016-present)
Chair, Awards & Recognition Committee (2017-present)
Chair, Presidents Committee (2004-2016)
Chair, PSA Staff Dining Hall Capital Campaign (1997-2000)
Chair, Valle Vidal Task Force (2004-2006)
Ex Officio Member, Board of Directors (1998-2008 and 2017-present)
Philmont Ranch Committee (1998-2019)
Chair, Program & Camping Task Forces (2003-2019)
Co-Chair, Strategic Planning Task Force (2017-2019)
Member, Risk Management Task Force (1998-2002)
Member (Legal Advisor), Infirmary Task Force (2000-present)
Instructor, Risk Management Training for Backcountry Camp Directors (2005-2021) and
Seasonal Staff Leadership (2022-2023)
Faculty for PTC Course: Philmont History: The Land, The People, The Saga (2022-present)
Distinguished Service Award, Philmont Staff Association (first ever awarded, 2009)
Silver Sage Award for service to Philmont (2011)
National Outdoor Book Awards “Work of Significance” Recognition for Fieldbook: Scouting’s
Manual of Basic and Advanced Skills for Outdoor Adventure, Fifth Edition (2014)
Apex Awards for Publication Excellence for High Country Magazine (2018, 2020, 2022)
Apex Grand Award for Publication Excellence for High Country Magazine (2024)
Notable Mentions:Dave Caffey
Chope Phillips
Dave Bates
Glenn Fowler
Carole Fowler Stinnett
Bill Spice
Dawn Chandler
Mark Anderson
Danny Tucker
Dave Werhane
Julie Puckett
Lela Murphy
Chuck Pilmoore
Neil Armstrong
Buzz Aldrin
Eugene Sermon
Gordan Cooper
Bill Fanning
Warren Smith
Frank Reigleman
Bob Burkbee
Rod Taylor
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Ed Dolensky joins the show to chat about the Philmont Scout Ranch Food Service Department. Ed discusses the numerous angles of food service from backcountry commissary deliveries and trail meal packaging - to camper, staff, and PTC dining hall operations. We all love to eat so let's give the dining hall some love and celebrate the hard work they do to keep staff and participants fueled for adventures that last a lifetime.
Philmont Experience:1980 - Trek participant
1983 - Trek participant
2007 - Trek Advisor
2010 - Trek Advisor
2012 - Trek Advisor
2022 - CHQ Dinging Hall Manager, May 1 - June 26
2023 - CHQ Dining Hall Assistant Manager, July 1 - August 13
Notable Mentions:Joey Fernandez
Derek Shiney
Roger
Matt Hart
Elder Wilson
Carrie Hairston
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For 16 summers Steve Nelson witnessed staff and participants experience influential moments time and time again. And not just in the summertime, but year round - from 2008 to 2023 Steve worked full-time as the Associate Director of Camping, Comptroller, and Director of Camping.
Steve prides Philmont on recruiting the best of the best seasonal staff members. And how when they arrive, they explode in awesomeness and terrific achievement. And how proud he was to be a part of that for so many years.
Philmont Experience:1972 - NJLITC participant
1995 - Philmont Training Center - Professional BSA Training
1999 - Philmont Trek - 714-P2
April 2008 - June 2009 - Associate Director of Camping (Unit 6) responsible for Base Camp Operations and Seasonal Human Resources
June 2009 - December 2017 - Comptroller/Director of Business Operations (Unit 4 and then Unit 3)
January 2018 - September 2023 - Director of Camping (Unit 2)
BSA Career:
- Nevada Area Council; Reno, Nevada - District Executive - 1983 - 1986
- Boulder Dam Area Council; Las Vegas, Nevada - District Executive 1986-1987
- Left the Boy Scouts in 1987 worked at Aspen Grove Family Camp - Brigham Young University Alumni Family Camp and taught classes in the Recreation Management/Youth Leadership Department. 1987-1989
- Tendoy Area Council; Pocatello, Idaho - Senior District Executive 1990-1993
- Grand Teton Council; Idaho Falls, Idaho - Program Director, Field Director and Director of Field Service 1993-2002
- Snake River Council: Twin Falls, Idaho - Scout Executive 2002 - 2008
- Philmont Scout Ranch 2008-2023
Notable Mentions:Mark Anderson
Sasha Nelson
Frank Reigleman
Keith Galloway
John Clark
Owen McCulloch
Chris Sawyer
Eric Martinez
Adam Herrenbrooke
Robert Fudge
John Celley
Andrew Gotchenower
Sid Covington
Hailey in Logistics
John Murphy
Matt Lindsey
Jim Lynch
Tim Rosseisen
Tim Hansen
Joey Fernandez
Gene Schnell
Kevin Dowling
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Dr. John Alexander - esteemed Veterinarian, Texas native, Eagle Scout, Philmont Wrangler and Horsemen, Philmont Ranch Committee member, and one of the more generous people I've met to date.
Philmont Experience:June 1984 - Trek participant
June 2013 - Advisor
1988 - Wrangler, Beaubien & Ponil
1989-1991 - Horseman, Ponil
2016-2021 - Ranch Committee: Ranch/Conservation Task Force
2021- Ranch Committee: Advisory Board
Notable Mentions:Jason Smallwood
Ben and Marilyn Vargas
Sean Vargas
Rod and Patty Taylor
Rich Riddle
Chuck Enloe
Rob Yarboro
Jesse Earl Sealy
Rusty Lowe
Chris Holloway
Mario Martinez
Linda Davis
CS Ranch
Jeremy Spivey
JB Brockway
Trigger
Jake Barnes
Clay O'Brien Cooper
Brad Handcock
Bob Handcock
Degus Wright
Jeff Mackee
Jim Rifel
Kevin Dowling
Dave Kenneke
Pat Blenn
Roger Hoyt
Chuck Enloe
Jeff Segler
Richard Munger
Mark Anderson
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Jack Chinn and I discuss the magical moments of the Philmont staff experience, alongside the maturity moments and interpersonal growth that happens when you toss a bunch of 20 year-olds together in the mountains of New Mexico. Chatting with Jack also reminded me of how much stronger our memories are when gathered with friends.
Philmont Experience:2004 - Trek participant
2008 - OA trail crew trek participant
2009 - OATC Foreman
2010 - PC Urraca
2011 - PC Cyphers
2011 - Fall Maintenance/ Cimarron Volunteer Fire Department
2012 - CD French
Notable Mentions:Spencer Powell
Billy Rain
Slim Uribe Goertz
John Nagib
Mason Spangler
Brianna Howland
Tim Collver
Mike Ritterhouse
Amy Carlisle
Philip Lewis
Jimmy Lowe
Eli Page Goertz
Gene Schnell
Rick Smith
John Celley
Fudge
JL Ellis
Ross Robinson
Freddy
Ted
Ellen Washburne
Kira Rednizack
Henry
Robert Clemmer
Lizzy Standard
Mark Anderson
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Today I share an interview with Grace Wall, also known as Nollie. Nollie is a current Philmont staffer and a long time scouter. This interview embodies those moments when you meet a fellow alumni and feel instantly at ease and eager to chat about all things Philmont.
Philmont Experience:2019 - 12-day trek participant
2021 - PC Rich Cabins
2022 - PC Crater Lake
2023 - PC Cypher's Mine
2024 - CD Rich Cabins
Notable Mentions:Cormac akaTimothy Loosbrook
Jack Siebert
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Today's guest will soon begin his 27th summer on seasonal staff at Philmont Scout Ranch. He's hiked the Appalachian Trail, the Long Trail, and summited over 40 state highpoints and 40 Colorado fourteeners. But you may know him best from his published book - The Philmanac, and his famous Philmont cookies and desserts.
Philmont Experience:1978 - Trek Participant
1982 - Ranger
1983 - Seasonal Registrar
1985 - Welcome Center Manager
1986 - Trek Advisor
1987 CD -Phillips Junction
1988 CD - Phillips Junction
1989 CD - Baldy Town
1990 CD - Head of Dean
1991 CD - Cimarroncito
1992 CD - Miners Park
1993 CD - Pueblano
1994 CD - French Henry
1995 CD - Dean Cow
1996 CD - Clear Creek
1997 CD - Black Mountain
1999 CD - Rich Cabin
2002 CD - Crooked Creek
2004 CD - Miranda
2006 Cook - Cimarroncito
2008 Cook - Cimarroncito
2009 Cook - Beaubien
2011 Cook - Cimarroncito
2013 Cook - Ponil
2015 Cook - Clarks Fork
2018 Cook - Cimarroncito/Museum staff (Ute Park Fire)
2021 CD - Chase Ranch
2023 Cook - Clarks Fork
2024 - CD Dan Beard
Early 2000s - PSA Director (6 years)
Notable MentionsCliff Waygee
Dean Tooley
Dawn Chandler
Doug Palmer
Lee Haddaway
Jim Foster
GS Harper
Fryer
Gene Schnell
Carols Abuelo
Derek Shiney
Father Kevin Smith
John Eric Kauffman
John Pierce
David O'Neil
Ed Pease
Bill Spice
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Kicking off Season 8 with the current Director of Camping, Unit 2 - Matt Hart. Matt shares an enthusiastic commitment to Philmont’s exemplary levels of service and professionalism, from the first bus of the season to the last - and beyond. We discuss everything from recruitment, participant numbers, and BSA policy updates to Philmont capital projects, pilot programs, NM sunsets and more.
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- Monthly contributions via Patreon
- One time donation via Venmo : Caitlin-Lowe-87714
- Podcast merchandise
Scouting Background
- Eagle Scout from Troop 23 in Rockmart, GA
- District Executive, Senior District Executive, Program Director, Field Director Northwest GA Council, Rome, GA 1994-2002
- Scout Executive, Alapaha Area Council, Valdosta, GA-2002-2007
- Scout Executive, Suwannee River Area Council, Tallahassee, FL-2007-2010
- Scout Executive, South GA Area Council, Valdosta, GA-2010-2020
- Scout Executive, Northwest GA Council, Rome, GA-2020-2023
- Director of Camping, Philmont Scout Ranch 2023-present.
Philmont Background
- 12 Day Backcountry Treks in 2009 and 2013.
- PTC Faculty-Council Key 3-2022
- PTC Faculty-Commissioner Service-2005
- PTC Participant-(Council Key 3) 2010
- Philmont Fly Fishing Invitational-Annually from 2013-2022
Notable Mentions:Doug Palmer
Steve Nelson
Roger Hoyt
Shelley O'Neil
Dave Kenneke
Kevin Sticklemen
Dave Werhane
Austin St. George
Phillip Ferrier
David O'Neill
Nate Lay
Joey Fernadez
Monica Turney
Carrie Kosmicki Hairston
Derek Shiney
Chris Sawyer
Kimberly Rayburn Hart
Chick Harvey
Linda Davis
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Donna kicks it off reminiscing back to 1986 when she gathered with friends to celebrate New Years at the ranch. From her experiences as a rent-a-ranger and mountain trek mom to encounters with wildlife and full moon pranks, Donna embodies that special connection we all feel while sitting around a fire, gathering and reconnecting with Philmont friends.
Girls and Women, Equity and Inclusion (GWEI)
Philmont Experience:1978 - Trek participant
1980 - Camping dining hall staff
1981 - Camping distribution staff
1982 - Ranger
1983 - Ranger
1986 - New Years participant
2001 - PTC Participant
2011 - PSA Backcountry Liaison
Notable Mentions:Chris Bowles
Bill Hitzen
Ben Rush
Betty Waygge
Jon Antonavitch
Dean Tooley
Cliff Waygge
Owen Michaelson
Mr. Kenutzen
Dave Bogart
Chistine McCarthy-Standard
Beb Aldridge
Jim Advisor
Scott Ingram
John Deal - Griz
Kathy Leach
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Today I chat with the creator of the Instagram account "Cons Meme Cache." Some of you may follow this social media account - where common Philmont staff experiences are presented with humor and jest. The content creator wished to remain anonymous - but he shares the history and making of the account, as well as his experiences on staff and more.
Philmont Experience:2017 - Trek Participant
2019 - Trek Participant
2021 - Conservation Work Crew
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Bob and I chat about recording Tobasco Donkeys album “Sawin On The Strings,” black mountain bog wars, PSA cavalcade, New Years at the Ranch, and more. A big thanks to Jeremy Spivey, Bob, his wife Val, and their daughter Mattie, for hosting a mini Philmont reunion and of course the chance to sing some tunes together.
Bob is a bass player for the Blood Brothers - check out their music!
Philmont Experience:1988 - Trek participant
1990 - Trek participant
1991 - Trail Crew Trek
1992 - Trail Crew Trek / Trading post trail hire
1993 - Seally Canyon
1994 - Crater Lake
1995 - Black Mountain
1996 - CD Apache
1997 - CD Crater
1998 - CD Cyphers
Notable Mentions:Dirty Larry Mclaughlin
Spencer Seim
Andy Gerhart
Shelley O'Neil
Chris Knolls
John Ferris Chaplain
Dave Bates
Scott Toney
Doug Fasching
Reggie Jayne
Ali Wick Meeks
Ryan Raddish
David Higginbotham
Joe Gats
Eric Voss
Reid Templeton
Ron Powers
Alex Ave
Jag McLaughlin
Gene Schnell
Kelley Kirkwood "Cajun"
Chris Bryant
Pat (BCM)
Hunter Seim
Doug Palmer
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Conservation veteran, Crockett joins the show to share his experience and expertise in trail and campsite infrastructure, installation, and sustainability at Philmont Scout Ranch.
Philmont Experience:Summer '12 - Sustainability
Summer '13 - Environmental Educator, TCT & ROCS
Summer '14 - Conservation Site Foreman - Whiteman Vega
Summer '15 - Conservation Field Coordinator
Fall '15 - Trail Survey Team w/ Jordan Moede
May '16 - Nov '17 - Conservation Field Manager
Winter '18 - Conservation Hiring Support Staff
Summer '18 - Recreation Resource Specialist
Sept '18 - Dec '21 - Conservation Field Manager (full-time)
Notable Mentions:Max McCale
David Pedrick
Carrie Anderson
Logan Hardin
John Celley
Kevin Dowling
Zach Seager
Casey Meyers
Jeb Redwine
Bryce Stephenson
Ben Harper
Conner Oxburger
Marty - Forester
Mary Steuver
Nate Lay
Chris Sawyer
Limmer Boot Company
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Between sips of coffee and contemplative grins - Ben and Marilyn Vargas share stories of love, dedication, and incredible hard work during their time living at Philmont Scout Ranch. As second parents to many seasonal wranglers, Ben and Marilyn are humble celebrities among the Ranch Department, and I want to thank them for inviting me into their home and sharing just a small portion of the immeasurable impact they’ve had on so many lives.
I’d like to note that this episode was generously and anonymously sponsored by a member of the Old Horse Department, whom without, the making of this episode would not have been possible. I thank you.
Support the show and enjoy some tunes - "The Places We Call Home" by The Calico Stray.
Philmont ExperienceBen Vargas
Seasonal Staff
1964 - Rayado grounds
1965 - Rayado Dining Hall
1966 - Trading Post staff
1967 - Wrangler
1968 - Horseman
1969 - Horseman
1970 - Horseman
Full Time
1971 - Fence Crew then moved to Cowboy
1972 - 1979 - Cowboy
1980 - Horse Forman
2018 - Livestock Foreman
Marilyn Vargas
Seasonal Staff
1974 - Small Fry Director
1976 - 1979 - Nursery Director
Part Time
1980 - 1984 - Housekeeping
Full Time
1985 - 2018 - Assistant to General Manager (2015 promoted to Assistant to GM and Team Leader Administrative/Housekeeping).
Notable MentionsLeo Martinez
Bob Knox
Jim Bird
Lee Mariett
Mark Anderson
Paul Claussen
Chuck Binger
Bill Spice
Keith Galloway
John Clark
Kevin Dowling
Austin Vargas
Kelly Vargas
Chope Phillips
BJ - Lost Ranger
Danny Sloan
Dollie O'Neill
Casey Lyman
Dr. John Alexander
John Bell
Jason Smallwood
Brad Newberry
Bob Rickleffs
Rusty Lowe
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Today we celebrate not only amazing Philmont friendships, but also the relationships that summit the highest peak of life - that of love and commitment. Mike and Katie Nyhart share their story, which began in 2015 on the Baldy Town porch. Their wedding day was truly a work of art - surrounded by over 30 Philmont friends, and etched into every intentional detail - memories from those special hills. Lastly, the couple share tips on how to maintain Philmont relationships across space and time.
Philmont Experience:Katie (Krzyvon)
2011: Trek participant
2013: Trek participant
2014: Rayado participant
2015: PC Baldy Town
2016: CD Ring Place
2017: CD Baldy Town
2018: Logistics (arrived late and left mid-summer)
Mike
2011: Trek participant
2013: Trek participant
2014: PC Beaubien
2015: PC Pueblano
2016: PC Metcalf
2017: CD Whiteman Vega
2018: CD Pueblano/TSI
2018: Autumn BCW
2019: BCM
Notable Mentions:Sean Murphy
Lela Murphy
Lizzie Standard
Zach Garmoe
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Father-daughter duo, discusses the generational similarities and differences of working as Wranglers in the Philmont Ranch Department. Chris began on seasonal staff in 1990, and Anna in 2023. They express gratitude to the Ranch Department for its close-knit culture and dedicated work ethic – which prepared them for future careers and successful relationships.
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Philmont Experience:
Chris Holloway
1984 - Trek Participant
1988 - Trek Participant
1990 - Wrangler
1991 - Wrangler - North Cav Horseman
2005 - PTC Faculty
2013 - PTC Wilderness First Aid
2022 - Trek Advisor
2024 - Trek Advisor
Anna Holloway
2023 - Wrangler
2024 - Wrangler
Notable Mentions:Bob Rickleffs
Ben Vargas
Rod Taylor
Chuck Enloe
Dr. John Alexander
Rusty Lowe
Dave Davis
Chris Lathum
Brandon Blakney
Leslie Davis
Linda Davis
Nate Lay
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Current General Manager of Philmont Scout Ranch, Roger Hoyt, joins the show. We discuss everything from operational aspects of the ranch to strategic goals for the Ute Park burn scar and the 2024 summer season. Throughout his tenure, Roger has seen the ranch overcome several challenges. He shares his gratitude to both full-time and seasonal staff, for their commitment and dedication to the mission of Scouting.
Notable ArticleBSA CEO Roger Krone - Fortune article
Scouting Career:1995 - District Executive Kansas City, Missouri. Promotions: Senior District Executive, Program Director, Senior Program Director and District Director
2006 - Chief Financial Officer/Director of Support Services - Greater Cleveland Council, OH
2010 - Scout Executive Baden-Powell Council, Binghamton, New York
2015 - Scout Executive of the Northern Lights Council in Fargo, ND
2019 - January 16 - General Manager of Philmont Scout Ranch
Notable Mentions:Ken Maller
Frank Reigleman
Dave Kenneke
Mark Anderson
Steve Nelson
Matt Hart
Shelley O'Neil
Kevin Stickleman
David Werhane
David O'Neill
Nate Lay
Danny Tucker
Ben Harper
Russell Smart
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Dinner is over and we help clean dishes as the evening itinerary read out begins. A thunderstorm rolls, lanterns are lit, and the staff take pause to enjoy the satisfaction of a day’s work done. We make the brief trek up the hill to Charlie’s Cabin where Stomp is about to begin. The show kicks off with a resounding chorus and the energy of a talented performance. All staff members - past and present join together on stage to close with the Philmont Hymn.
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Follow along as we hike from Hunting Lodge to Cypher’s mine by way of the Middle Fork Trail. Our crew of three - Cormac, Dave, and I - banter as we pause along the stream, discussing Philmont past, present, and future. Arriving at Cypher’s main cabin, we’re welcomed by the bustling energy of crews, porch talks, and the staff prepping for dinner. We jump at the chance to go on a tour of the Contention mine and catch a moment at the forge. The episode closes as I slip away to sit next to the stream, and journal.
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Wrapping up our Advisors of Philmont mini-series with Barry Bray. Barry has been on numerous treks, and has participated in PTC programs. Today he focuses the conversation on the three Cavalcades he’s been an Advisor for.
Philmont Experience:1972 - Trek
1991 - Trek
2008 - Trek
2012 - Trek
2014 - Cavalcade
2016 - Trek and Autumn Adventure
2017 - Cavalcade and PTC
2018 - PTC and QAC Retreat
2021 - Cavalcade
2022 - PTC
2023 - Faculty PTC
2024 - Faculty PTC
Notable Mentions:Rod Taylor
Jessica Seifert
Wrangler Henry
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Emily Smith joins the show as part of our Advisors of Philmont mini-series. She shares her unique perspective of being an Advisor on two treks in the summer of 2023 - first with her home troop and second with a troop she’d never met. She also discusses the challenging transition going from a youth participant with her peers to an adult advisor. Emily credits her Scouting leadership experiences to pushing her out of her comfort zone, challenging her to be the person she’s grown into today.
Philmont Experience:2018-2021 - NAYLE staff
2021 - Youth trek participant
2023 - Adult Advisor
2023 - Adult Advisor
Notable Mentions:Dasha
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I’ve known of Ellie Nickens Turner for quite some time - she’s friends with my friends, she's a Tobasco Donkeys member, and in the evenings, her fiddle and vocals fill my kitchen as I sweep. I was able to spend quality time with her in 2023 at Philmont, and felt that instant, familiar connection as a fellow staffer, mom, and adventure seeker.
Philmont Experience:2003 -Mountain Trek participant
2004 - Mountain Trek participant
2005 - Rayado participant2006 - Ranger / Tobasco Donkeys
2007 - Ponil
2008 - Rich Cabins
Notable Mentions:Kyle Egmeyer
Robert Fudge
Dirty Larry
Doug Palmer
Michael Henneberry
Andy Gerhart
Mike
Peter Bingen
Ry Taylor
Rod Taylor
Tim Collver
GS Harper
Iron John Logan
Allison Vinson DeFrees
Abby Cashman Hugivman
Meg (Graham) and Dave Plumb
Jimmy Lowe
Michael and Martin Stamat
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Today we continue our Advisors of Philmont mini-series with Steve Chase. To prepare for his role as a first time lead Advisor, Steve participated in the Philmont Advisor Skills School also known as the PASS program. Steve shares his insights including the importance of nominating a crew leader prior to arriving at Philmont, preparing the crew for potential disappointments consequential to inclement weather or injuries on the trail, and the pros and cons of the Father/Son dynamic within the crew.
Philmont Experience:1997 - Security staff
1998 - Ranger
1999 - Rayado Ranger
2022 - Lead Advisor 7 Day Trek
Notable Mentions:Dwight Stein
David Setzer
Ranger Janell
Luke Heidal
Tobasco Donkeys
Rod Taylor
Ranger Andrew
Jeff Cress
Facebook: Philmont Trek Talk - Prep, News, Info
Kathleen's Burrito Banquet
Steve Nelson
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Kicking off our next mini-series: Advisors of Philmont Scout Ranch.
Chris Ford has been continuously registered with BSA since 1962 when he joined cub scouts. In 1973 he was offered a late contract to be a Ranger, but had to decline. Since then he’s been on 9 treks, 7 of which have been co-ed. He estimates that he's hiked over 700 miles at Philmont. Representing Venturing, he shares his experiences as an Advisor.
Philmont Experience:1971 - Trek participant, crew leader
1995 - Council Contingent Leader
2006 - Council Contingent Leader
2008 - Council Contingent Leader
2010 - Lead Advisor
2012 - Lead Advisor
2014 - Lead Advisor
2018 - Lead Advisor - Cancelled: Ute Park Fire.
2019 - Crew Planner (did not trek)
2021 - Lead Advisor
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For today’s guest, Pete Scifres, immersing himself in the wonderous and simple rhythms of nature while on staff at Philmont Scout Ranch, freed him from the ramifications of years as a combat engineer in the US army. Pete discusses the challenges of going from military style leadership to Philmont leadership, the fulfilling opportunity to work on the heavy equipment crew after the Ute Park fire in 2018, and his affinity for the Cimarron 4th of July rodeo. Today Pete works as a professional gunsmith in Albuquerque, NM and returns to the ranch each summer to help train the firearms specialist.
Philmont Experience:2015 - PC Sawmill
2017 - CD Harlan
2018 - Winter TOTT Clerk. CD Miranda/Heavy equipment crew. Fall Cons
2019 - BCM. Fall Cons - Masticator Operator
2020 - BCM (Cancelled due to covid).
2021 - BCW Firearms specialist
Notable Mentions:Grant Reigleman
Carter Smith
Carson Mcray
Sean Murphy
Charlie Beaser
John Celley
Jordan Meade
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I was inspired by today’s guests, Liz and Bob Bush, in their accomplishment of operating and owning a business that they refer to as “they’re own backcountry camp.” At Buckley’s Mountainside Canoes, you’ll find Liz the logistics coordinator and Bob the Porch Director, there to ensure all enjoy the Chippawa River in Isabella county, Michigan.
Philmont Experience:Bob
1991 - Trek participant
1994 - Trek participant
1994 - Ranger (trail hire)
1995 - Ranger (Rayado 2nd season)
1996 - PC Pueblano
1997 - PC Cyphers Mine
1998 - CD Crater Lake
Liz
1995 - Rayado participant
1996 - Ranger
1997 - Rayado Ranger
1998 - CD Abreu
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My personal favorite version of Peggy-O is that sung by Ben Hoffman at the Crater Lake campfire bowl in 2011. My second favorite version is by Nicholas Edward Williams, on his album titled Folk Songs For Old Times' Sake. Third favorite is a reggae version by Goose on The Summit.
For the rest of the story - check out today’s episode with special guest host Jo Bob of Camp Kids Podcast!
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Donnie discusses summiting the peaks of life - once you've conquered one, chase another. Don't stay put, keep moving, creating, and growing. Find people who support that in your life.
Philmont Experience:1996 - OATC Participant
2002 - Work crew / Fire Rehab
2003 - Miranda
2004 - CD Clear
2005 - CD Pueblano
2006 & 2007 - Fire Ecology Specialist, Unit 98
Notable Mentions:John Clark
Unkl aka Bruce Wagner
Troy Leewright
Marcus Rynerson
David O'Neill
Ryan Mysky
Adam Throptburn
Owen Cook
Anita
Blake Longworth
John Schroder
Andrew Bass
Tim Collver
Johnathan Short
Doug Palmer
Mark Anderson
Allison Vinson
Bob Ricklefs
Seth Mangini
Trisha Brown
Nancy Coleman
Jackie Clark Zenzin
Devan Collier
Wayne Graham
Martin Gibson
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Silver On the Sage podcast’s largest group interview yet - thee original 1997 staff who wrote and performed Trail the Rock Opera at Cyphers Mine on this very day - August 9th - 26 years ago. In addition, PJ Parmar joins the conversation - not only was he in the audience on the night of the original performance, but he also led the remake of Trail the rock opera in 2003. In this interview we discuss the forbidden love affair between Johnny Tread and Molly McCloud and of course the origin of the impactful tune “I Don’t Mind.”
Episode Sponsor: Zia Fly
Notable Mentions:Larry McLaughlin
Evan McLaughlin
Topher Busch
Jason Gaskin
James Bakner
Bill Spice
Doug Palmer
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To wrap up Season 6, Jon and Kim Copeland share their stories and highlight the work they’re doing to maintain and encourage the Duty to God aspect of Scouting. Today, Jon and Kim are active participants in Philmont’s Chapel Refurbishment project, led by Chaplain Chip Turner and the Association of Baptists for Scouting.
Philmont Experience Jon:1988 & 90 - Trek participant
1991 - Rayado Participant1992 - Ranger
1993 - Ranger
1994 - Logistics2015 & 2019 - Trek advisor
2021, 22, & 23 - Association of Baptist Scouts: Chapel Refurbishment
2014 - current: PSA Tech Committee, PSA Facebook page Admin
Philmont Experience Kim:1994 - PTC Assistant South Tent City Manager
2002 - Ladies Autumn Adventure trek
Notable Mentions:Doug Fasching
Dollie O'Neill
Steve Nelson
Steve and Doug Rayado Rangers
Chip Turner
Dale and Donna Copeland
Tom Giugni
Doug Fasching
Sam and Allison DeFrees
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Today I bring you an interview with current Philmont staffer, Paul French. We kick it off by chatting about Paul’s experiences as a participant on Rayado. We go on to discuss Paul’s passion for Philmont’s interpretive backcountry program, and how it’s a gateway to spark curiosity and humanize history. Paul also shares his thoughts on current restraints on seasonal staffing including compensation and accessibility.
Philmont Experience:2014 - 12 day trek participant
2015 - Rayado participant
2017 - Activities Staff
2018 - Ranger / TSI
2019 - PC Metcalf Station
2021 - CD Pueblano
2022 - CD Metcalf Station
2022 Fall - Backcountry Warehouse Clerk / Winter - BCW Manager
2023 - CD Baldy town
Notable Mentions:Trevor Lombardi
Tucker Baker
Andrew Hendrix
Eric Witherington
Matt Shoemaker
Elliot Hoinville
Jack Siebert
Cormac Losbrook
Jack Holesure
David O'Neill
Arizona Duff
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An informative and thoughtful interview with current Associate Director of Camping, Phillip Ferrier. We discuss the dynamic aspects of Human Resources - from staff training and discipline to cultural diversity and inclusiveness. We also consider the recruitment needs for future staff and participants.
Notable Links:
Sherry Hamilton, Cimarron High School art teacher, organizes international trips for the high school kids through a group she’s called the Cimarron World Travelers.
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BSA Experience:
- Camp Tapico (Michigan Crossroads Council) - Summers of 2002-2007 & 2010-2012: Counselor in Training, Aquatics staff, Handicraft Director, Head Commissioner, COPE & Climbing Director, Program Director
- Camp Turrell (Northern New Jersey Council) – 2008 Summer: Pathfinder (First Year Camper) Director
- Florida Sea Base - 2012 Spring; 2013 Spring, Summer & Autumn, 2014 Spring, 2014-2015 winter: Coral Reef Mate, Sea Exploring Mate, Sailing Commissioner
- Summit Bechtel Reserve (Paul R. Christen High Adventure Base) - 2014 Summer & Autumn: Climbing Manager
- Summit Bechtel Reserve – February 2015 to May 2019: Director, James C. Justice National Scout Camp
- Philmont Scout Ranch – June 2019 to present: Associate Director of Camping – Base Camp Operations & Seasonal Personnel
Notable Mentions:Nick Hutchinson
Shelley O'Neill
Steve Nelson
Chris Sawyer
Eric Martinez
Owen McCulloch
John Van Dreese
David O'Neil
Nate Lay
Austin St. George
Monic Turney
Joey Martinez
Derek Shiney
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Bryan Hayck
Tom Hellming
Betty
Jo
Heather
Kim Taylor
Carrie Hariston
Beth Carole
Ben Herman
Stosha
Ben Harper
Rob Ridgeway
Dave Kopsa
Issac
Troy
Ryan Jackson
Sherry Hamilton
Matt Hart
Mike Baretta
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Philmont staff trail hire, Cameron Loechl joins the show. Cameron was hired off the trail in 2004 to be a cook at Beaubien. We have fun discussing that transition from participant to staff, and the immense amount of responsibility Philmont entrusts in its seasonal staff each summer.
He shares stories of impromptu Tobasco Donkeys concerts at Cypher’s mine, Fourth of July mud wrestling, The 2006 Casa Fire that threatened Philmont property, and more.
CureSearch Ultimate Hike - Support Barb Loechl
Philmont Experience:1999 - Trek participant
2004 - Trek participant
2004 - Beaubien cook, hired off the trail
2005 - PC Sawmill
2006 - Cabin Restoration
Notable Mentions:Chris Ford
Kim and Jenny Ford
Eric
Liz Bleeker
Mario Cambardella
Rick Smith aka Dirty Rick
Dirty Larry McLaughlin
Andy Gerhart
Iron John Logan
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Today's episode features two seasonal staffers who are currently at the ranch for the 2023 summer season: Kiley Conner - Base Camp Manager and Chase Anderson - Chief Ranger. They speak of their goals to impact lives in the same fashion that their own lives were changed for the better by the Philmont experience.
Keith Walters 100th Maverick Rodeo posters and prints
Philmont Experience:Kiley Conner
2016 - 12 day trek
2017 - Ranger / Fall Forestry Work Crew
2018 - Ranger / TSI
2019 - Ranger Trainer / Autumn Guide
2020 - Service Academy Coordinator (RIP) / Autumn Guide
2021 - Autumn Cavalcade participant
2023 - Base Camp Manager
Chase Anderson
2009 - 12 day trek
2017 - Ranger / Autumn Guide / Winter Adventure Guide/Coordinator
2018 - Ranger Trainer/TSI and Autumn Guide
2019 - Ranger Trainer / Autumn Guide
2020 - Associate Chief Ranger (RIP) / Autumn Guide
2021 - Autumn Cavalcade participant
2023 - Chief Ranger
Notable Mentions:Chris Burk
Bill Chris
Eric Martinez
Todd Krentz
Ruel Holt
Sarah Roytech
Kat Rassussen
Caitlin Cormichael
Carson McCrea
Phillip Ferrier
Tim Collver
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Allison (Vinson) DeFrees joins the show to chat about our connection to Philmont via the concept of Sense of Place.
Philmont Experience:2006 - ROCS participant
2007 - PC Dan Beard
2008 - PC Rich Cabins
2009 - CD Urracca
2010 - Invasive Species Specialist, Autumn Guide
2012 - Trek participant
2013 - Logistics / Jamboree
2018 - 2019 - Full time PSR resident
Notable MentionsChris Reed
Robert Reed
Allison King
Kari Anderson
Kelly Tobin
Laura Munch
Mary Stuver
Dave Bates
Mark Anderson
John Celley
Randa Celley
Mark Bryson
Ben Sparks
Cliff Eade
Tim Collver
Tobasco Donkeys
Ellie Nickens Turner
Iron John Logan
Rosendo Gallegos
Seth Mangini
Rod Taylor
Dave Plumb
Chris Sawyer
Sam DeFrees
Jim and Marianne MacGilivray
Dave Kopsa
Pete Bergone
Joe Duffield
Molly Hariston
Jason Maz
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Louise (Lopez) Mesaric was born in Santa Fe in 1941 and grew up in Cimarron, NM. In this episode she shares fond memories of living at Philmont with her late husband, Larry Mesaric who worked full-time for the ranch as a horseman and cattle foreman from the early 1960s to early 1970s.
Notable Mentions:Leo Martinez
Aunt Rosie
Rudolph Schwartz
McDaniels Ranch
Boss Sanchez
Bengie Vargas
Mike Vargas
Larry Mesaric
Charlie and Esther
John and Margarette
John Mayner
Richard Munger
Laura Mesaric
Tracy Mesaric
Mr. Junker
Mr. Davis
Felipe
Pappy Schall
Gretchen Sammis
Gene Pompi
Grandpa Chase
Henry Lambert
David Adere
Eddie, Arabella, Gloria Sanchez
Grace and Bud
Vera Gourley
James Sitzberger
Larry Davis
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Rod Taylor, Eagle Scout and Texas native, worked full-time as a Philmont cowboy and Cattle Foreman for 34 years. Before that he trekked twice as a participant and worked seasonally for 5 summers. Today he enjoys retirement and resides in Cimarron, NM.
2023 Philmont Wrangler Reunion website
Closing song by Jessica Seifert, Slim Uribe-Goertz, and Rod Taylor.
Philmont Experience:1972 - Participant
1973 - Participant
1974 - PC French Henry
1975 - PC Beaubien
1976 - Wrangler Beaubien
1977 - Horseman Beaubien
1978 - Cavalcade Horseman
1983-2017 - Full-time Cowboy
Notable Mentions:Patti Taylor
Steve Lewis
Carol Munch
Boss Sanchez
Bob Knox
Bob Rickleffs
Doug Johnson
Ben Sloan
Chope Phillips
Ben Vargas
Jane Munch
Chuck Enloe
Pep and Donna Archuleta
Hank Wiesscamp
Mollie Gruver
Margie Martinez
Joanne & Wiggs Martinez
Ry Taylor
Mason Taylor
Will Taylor
Jesse Martinez
Gene Schenell
Chris Hogan
Brian Thompson
Johnny Nelson
Doug Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson
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Christine (Salisbury) Sammons joins the show to discuss her nine summers working in the Ranger department, three of which she served as Philmont’s Chief Ranger.
Show notes link: 2023 Wrangler Reunion
Philmont Experience:2004 - Trek participant
2005 & 06 - Ranger
2007 & 08 - Ranger Trainer
2009 &10 - Associate Chief Ranger
2009 - Fall autumn guide
2010 - Fall autumn coordinator
2011 - 2013 - Chief Ranger
2014 - Outfitting Services Manager
Notable MentionsMark Anderson
Chris Sawyer
Kirstin Anderson
Jada Day
Eric Martinez
Jenna Anderson
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Today Jason Maz joins the show. We discuss everything from neurodivergence, native bee populations, and canoe portaging at Wilson Mesa to the challenges of the Rayado Trek Coordinator role and the operational processes that take place during a Philmont Search and Rescue. Jason lives in the mountains of Vermont and works as a contracted ecologist, University educator, and economic pollination researcher.
"Why We Run," featuring Bernd Heinrich
WATERMAN FUND ESSAY WINNER: Splitting Clouds at the Edge of the World: How Had I Never Noticed It Before? by Jason Mazurowski
Philmont Experience:2011 - Ranger
2012 - Ranger trainer
2013 - Rayado trek coordinator
2014 - Assistant Chief Ranger (ACR)
2015 - ACR
Second seasons:
Autumn 2013 - Maintenance
Winter 2013/14 - Winter adventure guide
Autumn 2014 - Autumn adventure guide
Winter 2014/15 - Winter adventure coordinator
Notable Mentions:Collin Bowser
Jason Contino
Andy Taylor
Eric Martinez
Bernd Heinrich
Mark Anderson
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As a city kid, Jack was initially apprehensive about trekking at Philmont and taking on true High Adventure. But in 2017, as an 18 year old on trek, they had the time of their life. Jack was deeply inspired by the music and the people, and simply could not believe a place like Philmont existed.
Today’s episode closes with Train song by the Metcalf 2022 staff, from their album titled “Sally No. 1 Pride and Glory.”
Photo credit: Marielle Scott
Philmont Experience:2017 - Regular Trek Participant
2018 - TSI Crew/PC Beaubien
2020 - PC Pueblano (Covid, never was)
2021 - PC Pueblano
Fall 2021 - Forestry Crew (Injured, never was)
2022 - PC Metcalf Station
2023 - CD Urraca
Notable Mentions:Ford Lee
Erin Duffy
Mary Laben
Kevin Dowling
Annie Anderson
Bonnie Miller
Paul French
Elliot Hoinbell
David O’Neill
George Birch
Steve Nelson
Garret Witherington
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Zak shares his love for Zastrow and contends that the role of Camp Director is the best job on the ranch. And that Philmont is the perfect environment for growing young adults - where problem solving and self-sufficiency is demanded of you.
YouTube link to The Agitators - backcountry musical from Crater Lake 2011
Note: The drawing of Zak climbing a tree and pulling lightning from the sky -
The drawing was done by Brandon Thomas, who worked at Philmont in 2011.Closing song: "All Men are my Brothers." Sung by Zak and Karl Sparks.Philmont Experience:2003 - Regular trek
2006 - Regular trek
2007 - PC Zastrow
2008 - PC Pueblano
2009 - PC Black Mountain
2010 - PC Pueblano
2011 - CD Crater Lake
2014 - PSA Staff Trek
2019 - PSA Staff Trek
2021 - PSA Staff Trek
Notable Mentions:Tim Collver
Sarah Dunn-Rankin
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Seth discusses the Bonito Creek restoration project. As the project lead and doctoral candidate, he explains the valley morphology of bonito creek and the timing and impacts of arroyo erosion in a wet meadow system.
Check out the official Philmont Wrangler Reunion website - where you can browse auction items, share photos, consider sponsorship contributions, and RSVP. All Philmont staff are welcome to attend and participate.
Philmont Experience1998 - Trek Participant
2000 - Trek Advisor
2004 - PC Black Mountain
2005 - PC Miranda
2006 - CD Black Mountain, 15 Zulu fall maintenance
2007 - Work Crew Foreman, 15 Zulu fall maintenance
2008 - ADC Conservationists, Fall Conservation
2009 - PTC Winter Maintenance, ADC Ists, Fall Cons
2010 - ADC Ists, Fall Cons
2011 - Invasive Species
2012 - Field Manager
2019 - Conservation researcher
2020 - Conservation researcher
2021 - Stream Restoration Coordinator
2022 - Stream Restoration Coordinator
Notable Mentions:Steve Wurtzel
Josh - CD Black 02
Bucko Cowden
Daniel Herrel "Beav"
Cory Peterson
Seth Schwartz
Arkansas
Lee Leatherwood
Michel Serio
John Celley
Rick Smith
Jim Kutz
John Vandreese
Jackie Clark
Martin Gibson
Justin Huffum
Matt Wagner
Allison Vinson Defrees
Stephen Senter
Michael Malchovitch
Josh Cook
Katie Cury
Casey Meyers
Mike Sudmeier
Mark Anderson
Karri Anderson
Rod Taylor
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Diana was among the first female seasonal staffers to work at Philmont in 1970’s. She returned as the first ever female Protestant Chaplain in 2022. For Diana and many of us, God lives in the Sangre De Cristo Mountains. And going high into those mountains equates to total wellness of body, spirit, and mind.
Philmont Experience:1973 - CHQ Public Relations Administrative Assistant (first female summer staff at CHQ)
1974 - PTC Assistant Muchacha Director
1975 - PTC Muchacha Director
1990 - CHQ Dining Hall Manager
2022, 2023 - Protestant Chaplain (first woman Protestant Chaplain)
Notable Mentions:Steve Loomis
Phil Loomis
Joe Davis
Betsy and John Roof
Kathy Leach
Nancy Wells
Carol Munch
Hannah Wilson
Steve Nelson
Roger Hoyt
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To fall in love at Philmont is a unique journey of it's own. To celebrate Valentine's Day - husband and wife, Lee and Carly Scarbrough join the show to share their Philmont love story.
Check out Carly's Website here: www.cjcasper.com
Philmont Experience:
Lee
COPE 2014
PTC Fall 2014
PC Rich Cabins 2015
PTC Fall 2015
ACD Beaubien 2017
PTC Fall Coordinator 2017
Carly
PC Ring Place 2012
PC Ponil 2013
PC French 2014 (late arrival)
PC Cito 2015
ACD Ponil 2016
Autumn Adventure 2016
CD Clarks Fork 2017
Notable Mentions:Jesse McCallon
Chris Watters
Stephen Alexander
Wally Wolanin
Kyle Sawyer
Sam & Whitney Anderson
Amy Braganini
Pete Bergone
Nate Lay
Carter Smith
Grant Reigelman
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Toph White shares some historical love for The Double H - a satellite BSA High Adventure Base that ran from 2004 - 2009 in Southwestern, NM. At the Double H there were no designated trails, a staff of 60, and just one backcountry camp - the experiences were similar to Philmont, yet more austere and uniquely challenging.
In part two of this episode, Toph praises the licensed Philmont Infirmary for its capabilities of care and highly qualified staff, in partnership with the University of Kansas Medical Center. Today he is the Assistant Patrol Director for the Canyons Village, Park City Ski Patrol.
Philmont Experience:1996 - Participant
1998 - 18 year old Advisor
2000 - Activities Staff
2001 - Ranger
2002 - Mountain Trek Ranger
2004 - Phil-Break Participant
2004 - Double H Senior Guide
2005 - Double H CD Martin Camp
2006-2009 - Double H Program Director
2010-2016 - Infirmary Assistant Chief of Medical Support
Notable Mentions:Andy Schmidt
Brian McCormick
Mark Anderson
Nate Lay
Chris Sawyer
Keith Galloway
John Celley
Ryan King
Dave Kopsa
Kevin Stickelman
Steve Parks
Christin Pickerillo
Eric Jimlink
Gavin Faulkner
Colfax Gazette
Roger Smith
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Today Ben Edmonds joins the show to discuss his staff experiences in the Philmont Maintenance and Conservation departments, as well as his career today as a Marine stewardship and monitoring specialist at The Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary - including work with Mission: Iconic Reefs, large area image acquisition, and more.
Philmont Experience:2005 & 2008 - Trek participant
2009 - Basecamp maintenance
2010 - Work Crew Papa
2013 - Work Crew Romeo
2014 - Work Crew Sierra Forman
2015 - Sea Base
Notable MentionsWayne Baker
Juan
Rick
Old man Jim
Steve Gabriel
Matt Serio "Jersey"
Alice Paulding
Dawn Sally
Kim Ames
Giland "Gil" Dees
Zach Harris
Shannon Edwards
Mike Jack
Seth Eldridge
John Celley
Robert Fudge
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Welcome to a special celebration episode to commemorate two years of Silver On the Sage Podcast - and onto year three! A big thank you to everyone who interviews, listens, and supports the show. If you're a weekly or monthly listener, consider donating to the show!
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Today, Tim Borden and Evan Coombs join the show from Portland, Oregon, where they've met up to participate in an old-time gathering and reminisce about Philmont. In this three part episode, we kick it off with Philmont anecdotes, then focus on the boy's experience through hiking the Appalachian Trail, and wrap it up with an insightful discussion about old time music.
All roads lead to Philmont.
Philmont ExperienceEvan Coombs
2002 - PTC participant
2005 - Trek participant
2009 - PC Ponil
2010 - PC Crater Lake
2011 - PC Clear Creek
2012 - PC Pueblano / Fall CHQ Maintenance
Tim Borden
2009 & 2010 - Ranger
2011 - PC Pueblano / Autumn guide
2012 - CD Pueblano / Fall CHQ Maintenance
Notable Mentions:Mark Emde
Tim Collver
David Burchfield
Peter Weber
Michael Henneberry
Brenden and Lela Best
Blake Jones
John Lauber
Tristan Wagner
Tobasco Donkey's
Jimmy Lowe
Steve Nelson
Tim Collver
Chris Sawyer
Ben Hoffman
Ellyn Washburne
Jessica Seifert "Red"
Austin St. George
Chris Trepky
Mark Lockridge
Travis Payne
Travis Scherschel
Flume Canyon Boys
Josh Stanard
Art Woodard
Mary Jo Standard
Blayne Woods
Iron John Logan
Brendon Best
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Today, dedicated, life-long cowboy Chuck Enloe joins the show. Chuck has been working at Philmont seasonally and full-time for a combined total of 40 years. He’s also worked at prominent Northern New Mexico ranches including the Moore Ranch and UU Bar. Chuck is currently the Livestock Foreman for Philmont’s Ranch Department, and has been full-time in the department since 2002. We discuss the year-round work of the department, which of course is necessary to maintain Philmont’s standing as a working cattle ranch - all the while providing participants with memorable ranch experiences in the summertime.
Philmont Experience:1968, 69, 70 - Philmont trek
1971 - Dining Hall Staff
1972 - Wrangler
1975 - Wrangler
1976-1980 - Horsemen at Ponil
1983 - Cavalcade Horseman
1992, 1999, 2000, 2001 - Ponil Horseman
1995 - 2002 - Fence Crew Full-Time
2002 - 2019 - Ranch Department staff
2019 - Present - Livestock Foreman
Photo: La Grulla Cow Camp, 1984 with Snip and Lefty.
Notable MentionsJim Foster
Doug Johnson
Danny Salone
Alice Moore
Joe Montoya
Bob Knox
Rod & Patti Taylor
Ben Vargas
Bob Ricklefs
Jessica Siefert
Leroy Webb
Lee Bass
Chris Cocha
Jeremy Spivey
Brian Hobrock
Dr. John Alexander
Bart Rayer
Carrie Anderson
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Today, Ashley Olson, E-Commerce Manager for the Tooth of Time Traders (ToTT) joins the show. We discuss her seasonal summers in Activities, where she fell in love with the Welcome Center and the role of being the first to greet crews upon their arrival at Philmont. As an impressively productive retail store with six backcountry satellite operations - we discuss the ToTT's history and goals for the future. Ashley shares her passion for seasonal staff, the intentional training and team bonding that takes place each summer, as well as coaching her personal trademark of Legendary Customer Service.
From placing purchase orders, receiving and stocking to website, social media, and custom crew gear - the ToTT really does it all!
Philmont Experience2005 - Activities staff
2006 - Activities Tent City Manager
2008 - Activities Assistant Manager
2009 - Activities Assistant Manager
2021 April - E-Commerce Manager Tooth of Time Traders fulltime
Notable Mentions:Erica
Betty Pacheco
Will Taylor
Ry Taylor
Mathias Olson
Luke Teske
Shelley O'Neill
David O'Neill
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Former Philmont Comptroller, General Manager, and Director of BSA High Adventure Division, John Clark discusses what goes on behind the curtain. John has been involved in Scouting since 1967, and made it known early on in his professional BSA career that he wanted to dedicate his work to the High Adventure programs - and he did just that.
We chat about the business side of Philmont and Philmont’s relationship to the National BSA office. We discuss the history and business details of the Chase Ranch and Cimarroncita, both of which were properties that John helped Philmont acquire during his tenure.
Today John stays connected to the Cimarron and Philmont communities, and is the President of the Chase Ranch Foundation.
Philmont Experience:1983 - PTC participant
1985, 1986, 1987 - Led a Autumn Adventure Council
1988 - 2001- PTC Participant and/or Instructor
2002 - 2005 Comptroller for Philmont
2005 - 2009 Comptroller of the High Adventure Division
2009 - 2015 General Manager of Philmont/ Director of the High Adventure Division Today - President of the Chase Ranch Foundation
Notable Mentions:Mark Anderson
Shelley O'Neill
John Greene
Roger Hoyt
Kevin Dowling
Keith Galloway
Doug Palmer
Linda Johnson
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Today Bob Mosher, current Executive Director of the Philmont Staff Association, joins the show. Bob worked seasonally at Philmont for 10 summers, 2 autumns, and 4 winters. In this episode we discuss an array of topics including the importance of the Camp Director role, the origins of the Roving Prospector position, the year of the Donald Duck orange juice themed Phil-fiesta, the infamous Pizza Hut challenge, and more. The second half of the conversation we focus on upcoming PSA events, namely the 50th anniversary homecoming happening this July, 2023.
Philmont Experience:92 Trek participant
93 Activities Staff
97 Activities Assistant Manager
98 Kanik Guide
98 Activities Manager
98 Kanik Asst Coordinator
99 CD Ring Place
99 Autumn Adventure Guide
00 Kanik Asst Coordinator
00 CD Cyphers Mine
00 Autumn Adventure Guide
01 Kanik Asst Coordinator
01 Roving Prospector
02 Interpretive Programs Coach
04 Backcountry Manager
05 Backcountry Manager
09 CD Cimarroncito
Notable MentionsDean Tooley
Steve Willis
Trish Daily Siefert
Troy Phillips
Austin
Mark Anderson
Linda Anderson
Doug Palmer
Bill Spice
David O'Neill
Bob Rickleffs
Rod Taylor
Derek Gotlieb
Chris Swain
Tobasco Donkeys
Larry McLaughlin
Nancy Coleman Stickelman
John Seim
Nate Lay
Kevin Stickelman
Liz Harper
Shayla Ridgway
Danny
Cory Younts
Tennessee Boys
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Today's holiday episode will focus on the cultural heritage of the holidays in Northern New Mexico, as well as holiday traditions specific to Philmont and Philmont staff.
History - National Park Service Article: Luminaria Traditions
Story book passage -“The Farolitos of Christmas,” by Rudolfo Anaya.
Holiday intro tune - "Christmas Confluence" by Dylan McDermott
Photograph - Diana Loomis from Light Among the Ruins at Jemez Pueblo Historic Ruins.
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Today's 100th episode brings David GD Werhane to the show. For nearly 11 years, Dave has been living in Cimarron with his family and working full-time as the Philmont Museums Director. He kicks it off discussing his infamous nickname and memories of hiking Philmont's trails as a participant in 1981 and 83. Reflecting on Dave’s seasonal staff experience in Food Service, backcountry interp, and Health Lodge - the conversation is dynamic, forthcoming, and sprinkled with nuggets of insight and gratitude. Lastly, he takes us behind the scenes, discussing his role as the primary director of not only Philmont’s historical archives, but those of the BSA too.
Philmont Experience:1981- Trek, itinerary 23
1983- Rayado Men's program
1984- CHQ food service
1985- PC Miranda
1986- PC Pueblano
1987- PC Black Mountain
1988- PC/Blacksmith at Kit Carson
1989 -PC/Blacksmith at Kit Carson
1990 - Autumn - Independent contractor: La Postita restoration
1991 - Winter - Kanik guide/equipment specialist
1991 - Summer – Health Lodge driver and EMT
1992 - Winter - Kanik guide/equipment specialist/EMT
February of 2012 - Philmont Museums Director
Notable Mentions:Keith Walters
Chuck Enloe
Rod Taylor
Mark Anderson
Steve Rick
Berny David Plough
Joe Joe Morrison
Ralph Russel
RT Taylor aka Brad Johnson
Steve Zimmer
Dean Tooley
Doug Palmer
Cliff Waygee
Dave Stone
Joe Davis
Tony Gerard "Snake"
Willy Hitson
Dave Bates
Dave Kenneke
Lucy Brazil
Jim Johnson
John White
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Philmont Scout Ranch staff are familiar with the notion of “other duties as assigned,” and the lack of "normal business hours," during the summer season. This is especially the case for one department in particular - Logistics. Today, Sid Covington joins the show. Sid worked as Philmont’s logistics manager for several summers, among other positions at the Ranch.
Sid discusses the main functions of Logistics including: Trip planning, Transportation scheduling, and Radio room communications. We chat about several improvements Sid spearheaded during his time on staff including: the refined creation of the Crew Leader copy, added accuracy to Philmont’s participant tracking system, reworking the first day arrival process for crews, streamlining NCAP prep and scheduling, and most recently - the creation of the Guidebook to Adventure: Advisors edition.
Notable Mentions:Irene Mutz
Bruce Walcott
Frank Reigleman
Mark Anderson
Doug Palmer
Shelley O'Neil
Larry McLaughlin
Julie Phillips
Dwight Stein
Dave Plumb
John Clark
Marianne Graham
Elder Wilson
Cory/Fred Davison
Steve Nelson
Shelley O'Neil
Johnathan Lozon
Tom Guingi
Mike Doughty
Julie Vigil
Tim Roessisen
John VanDreese
David O'Neill
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Bob is well known at the ranch and in Northern New Mexico for his work with livestock, agriculture, and wildlife. He worked at Philmont seasonally for 6 summers and full-time for 44 years. The majority of this full-time career was spent as Philmont’s Ranch Superintendent.
In this episode, Bob focuses on the history of Philmont’s bear policies and procedures, in conjunction with New Mexico Game and Fish law. In 1986, several serious bear attacks occurred at Philmont. These attacks set into motion the need for more defined and strategic bear practices at Philmont, many of which are still used today - including backcountry bear box trash receptacles, bear cables in campsites, and the sump for waste water. It also meant the establishment of the 10-34 bear sighting form and a designated bear researcher position.
I want to thank Bob for sharing this history and dedicating a large portion of his career to the bear.
Philmont Experience: 1967 - 1972 - Horse Department seasonal staff
1972 fall - Hired by Bob Knox full time as cowboy
Mid 1970's - Became Cattle Foreman
1980 - 2016 Hired as Ranch Superintentdent by Paul Claussen
Notable Mentions:Bob Knox
Paul Claussen
Lloyd Knutson
Al Account
Steve Hararro
Gene Pompeo
Don Jones
Steve Zimmer
Hap Blacksten
Jeff Ogata
Boss Sanchez
Ben Vargas
Rod Taylor
Chuck Enloe
Brian Hobrock
Leo Martinez
Aaron Ricklefs
Fred Cicneros
Rachel Ricklefs
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I wish you all a crowded table, a warm fireside, plentiful food, good health, and the love you deserve. Happy Thanksgiving friends!
This episode highlights clips taken from previously recorded interviews, with the intention to highlight, celebrate, and honor the impact of Philmont Scout Ranch on all our lives.
Notable Mentions:Tim CollverAlex Ave Llalamant
Lori Idalski Repovich
Piper Niehaus
GS Harper
Fran Romero
Brad Plumb
Chris Sawyer
Betsy Teter
Tanner Shaw
Tom Much
Peter Bingen
Mary Stuever
Ali Meeks
Bethany Hughes
Larry McLaughlin
Dollie O'Neill
Shelly Quartieri
Daniel Godwin
Bucko Cowden
Jada Day
Jessica Seifert
Katrina Moon
Kira Redzinak
Kevin Stickelman
Lela Murphy
Mariah Hughes
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Andrea Watson
Maggie McCulloch
Sarah Burgess
Todd Zinn
John Celley & Zach Seeger
Dave Werhane
Claire Ficke
Karl Sparks
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Today, Robert Clemmer joins the show. There’s a lot of good energy in our discussion focusing on Philmont's Order of the Arrow Trail Crew Trek or OATC. Clemmer worked as an OATC Forman, Coordinator, and Associate Director of Cons - overseeing the conservationists. He discusses the useful and cheerful service goals of OATC, and the philosophical consideration of Scouting as a movement, compared to Scouting as an organization. Returning in 2021 as a Volunteer Vacation Forman, Clemmer was pleasantly surprised by the continued positive influence and impact that Philmont imparted. So much so that in 2022, Clemmer volunteered his time to be a part of the first ever Philmont Trail Series committee and the race itself.
I want to thank Clemmer for submitting an accordion version of Silver On the Sage podcast's theme song. For more, check out Clemmer's group the Gypsy Hill Ramblers.
Philmont Experience:2007 - OATC participant, crew 803 B
2021 - PSA Cons Reunion
2009 - OATC Foreman
2010 - OATC Foreman
2011 - OATC Coordinator
2012 - Associate Director of Conservation - Conservationists
2021 - Volunteer Vacation Foreman
2022 - Philmont Trail Series Committee
Notable Mentions:KJ Cassidy
Nick Davis
Spencer Powell
Jeff Landaw
Marty Cheddar
Robert Fudge
Christine Sailsbury Sammons
Evan Lawrence
Seth Mangini
Mike Crockett
Phil Winegardner
Jay Miten
Geral Short
Seth Eldridge
TJ Gwen
Tim Collver
Dave Rambo
Gene Schnell
John Sully
Michael Serio
Zach Harris
Craig Cochren
Zach Hunsberger
Ted Weary
Jack Chinn
Steve Nelson
Dave Burchfield
Greta
Austin St. George
Zach Harris
Allison Vinson Defrees
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Mother-Daughter duo, Carol Munch and Piper Niehaus join today to discuss their experiences as Women Rangers at Philmont. They examine the different hurdles they overcame, from Carol dealing with logistical and geographical constraints placed on Women Rangers in the '70s - to Piper recognizing the need for female specific backpacking guidelines in the mid '2000s.
They celebrate the traits of the Ranger experience, including empowerment and confidence, and discuss just what it is that makes Philmont so special. Lastly, we chat about their three week trek on the Manaslu Circuit in Nepal, and how they continue to actively backpack and adventure to this day.
Consider donating to the Philmont Staff Association Rayado Women Endowed Scholarship Fund.
Philmont Experience:Carol Munch
1973-1976 Ranger
1976 - First Rayado Women Crew
Piper Niehaus
2002 - PSA trek
2004 - Rayado participant
2005 - ROCS participant
2006 & 2007 - Ranger
2008 - Rayado Ranger (with Katie Nuessly)
2009 - Ranger Trainer
2010 - Rayado Trek Coordinator (with Sam DeFrees)
Notable Mentions:Jim Munch
Kathy Leach
Nancy Wells
Joe Davis
Gary Richards
Allison King
Dave Caffe
Heather Wilson
Betsy Roof
Ward Breneger
Sam and Logan
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Girl Ranger, Betsy Teter, joins the show to bring the story to life and share her experience as a part of the very first expedition of all-female youth that trekked Philmont, in June of 1973.
"The Lost Legend of the Girl Rangers," by Outside Magazine.
Philmont Experience:1973 - Trek participant
Notable Mentions:Ryan Raddatz
George Withers
Lisa Shingler
Maggie Miller
Ann Altman
Missy Johnston
Felicia Charles
Lucy Lyles Henner
Dennis Gilpin
Roger Rowlett
Ed Jensen
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Lee kicks it off with his haunting "Music Man" tale that happened at French Henry in 1988. We also discuss the story behind Lee’s nickname "Bear," as well as highlights of the progressive North Country Christmas party of 88' that went from Miranda, to Baldy, ending at French with a sweat lodge of epic proportions. Lastly, we chat about Lee’s experience as part of the very first Kanik Winter Adventure staff of 1991. Today Lee resides just 70 miles north of Philmont in Trinidad, Colorado where he enjoys a successful career as a gunsmith. You can check out his website at thearmsroom.com. Philmont taught Lee confidence and to maintain a “keep moving forward” mentality throughout life.
Philmont Experience:1980 - Trek participant
1984 - PC Uracca
1985 - PC Beaubien
1986 - PC Pueblano
1987 - CD Clark's Fork
1988 - CD French Henry
1989 - CD Black Mountain
1990 - CD Miranda
1991 - First Kanik (Winter Adventure) Staff
Notable MentionsRegan Par
Angela Foster
Jim Foster
JJ Stevens
Rachel, Sara, David Hadaway
Forky Rudin
Mike Jones
Dave Werhane
Ken Kaulka
Yogay Yuper aka Claude Hemphill
Steve Rick
Jason Smallwood
Dave Kenneke
Brian Palmer
Doug Palmer
VD Plough
Denise Vandemier
Mark Allen
Curly
Rob Mayor
Todd Conklin
Buddy Morse
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At Philmont one is able to dream and take on different lives - spend a summer as a miner, learn the ropes as a wrangler, or protect lives as a medic. Youth is full of unusual adventures - like for instance recording an entire album at a backcountry camp, and managing to release it before the summers end. Sailboat, also known as Ryan McDowell, and the Cypher’s Staff of 2021 did just that.
Today, Sailboat and I go behind the scenes to discuss the recording of Down In the Contention by Charlie’s Revenge, including the haunting tune The Ballad of Anne Marie. All of which you can listen to on Spotify.
Although Sailboat spent summers in the backcountry, perhaps his favorite summer was spent in the PTC Dining Hall where he built a tight knit group of friends and spent his days off as a self-proclaimed teenage dirtbag, living free. After the traumatic experience of the 2018 Ute Park fire and doing his part on TSI, he lived at Pueblano with an incredible staff of friends and muses. He also experienced a somewhat alarming encounter with the other side. Was it a ghost, a hallucination, an abnormal migraine? I’ll let you decide. Furthermore, Sailboat spent a summer working at The Summit, and he shares some haphazard stories from that experience as well.
Philmont Experience:2015 - Trek participant
2017 - PTC Dining Hall
2018 - PC Pueblano/TSI/LEBs
2019 - PC Pueblano for real
2020 - The Summit - housekeeping / zip lining
Fall 2020 - Philmont Forestry Team
2021 - PC Cypher's Mine
Notable Mentions:Joey Fernandez
Brady Geronomy
Mike Neihart
Maggie McCulloch
Jenna Trione
Emily Bartles
Sarah Wettemann
Stephen Kurt
Sage Early
Zachary Vig
Alex Conrad
Ellyn Washburne
Jack Anthony
Ranger Conner
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For today’s guest, Meg Plumb, Philmont has always been and continues to be a family affair. From trekking with her immediate family and recruiting her cousins to be on staff - to today, visiting the area often as her family now has ties to Ute Park, NM.
Her first summer on staff, Meg was a tour guide at the Villa Philmonte. A job that for Meg was a constant reminder of the generosity of the gift that the Phillips Family gave to us all. Also, an incredible first year job, to be able to engage with participants, PTC staff, and the general public. Meg went on to personify a fictional Irish immigrant at French Henry, spend two consecutive summers at Fish Camp, and many more backcountry and second season experiences. Meg and I share our ghostly visitation encounters at Fish Camp, both of which ominously occurred on the celebration of Helen Jane’s birthday.
Meg discusses the ritual of celebrating birthdays at Philmont and attending surrounding community events like the Red River Wine and Arts Festival. Today Meg is a Landscape Architect, and Director of Legacy Design at Design Workshop - out of the Aspen, CO office. From her professional socio-ecological perspective, we chat about what makes the landscape of Philmont so special to its people. Meg closes the interview sharing memories of her cousin Coralie Graham, and how Meg continues to surround herself with Philmont and Northern NM culture in her daily life.
Philmont Experience:2002 & 2004 Trek
2005 Villa Philmonte Guide
2006 PC French Henry
2007 PC Fish Camp
2008 CD Fish Camp
2008 Autumn Adventure Guide
2009 Kanik Guide
2009 CD Rich Cabins
2011 CD Beaubien
2011 Fall Seton Museum Staff
Notable Mentions:Marianne MacGillivray
Jim MacGillivray
Slim Uribe Goertz
Lydia Uribe
Rebekah "Boot" Senter
Pamela Bullock
Nancy Klein
Doug Palmer
Phil Winegardner
Joe Davis
Matt Garcia
Katie Clardy
Tom Swaine
Will Cooper
Richard
Doug Palmer
Kari Anderson
Rachel Rosenbloom
Stephen Senter
Will Cooper
Will Barr
Dave Plumb
Kate Helbig
Kyle Coppinger
Emily Wilson
Desi Atwater
Tim Collver
Dom Alesandrini
Blake Butler
Michael Stamat
Coralie Graham
Cormac Graham
Jimmy Graham
Susan Graham
Ross Robinson
Mike Ritterhouse
Iron John Logan
Kari Anderson
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Stories unite us. They create a universal space to share how we came to be, and who we are becoming. Today’s guest, Jack Rodgers, discusses the drive behind Philmont’s Marketing and Photo Services Department. Jack is currently the Marketing Manager for the department, and has also been a seasonal trek participant and a Ranger. In MPS, staff members are given a passport to do a lot of cool things, namely documenting and sharing the story of Philmont and its people. With that passport also comes the responsibility and opportunity to become an empathetic and creative storyteller. MPS staff get the job done by being collaborative, passionate, and hard-working in their pursuit to “Capture Lives Changing.”
Jack’s personal hope for MPS as it grows, is that it might become an internship hub for talented journalists and skilled students of media to come and refine their talents. To bring fresh perspectives to the ever-changing team sport of visual and written storytelling. We discuss Jack’s personal creative process, his love for portraits, and creating media that elicited emotion. The MPS Department works year round, serving the ranch and BSA National office, supporting efforts such as the PTC family program, website development, and reporting on events in real time.
We consider the unique notion that Philmont's main program is growth through adversity. Each summer, thousands of people willingly take on something that is very challenging. The stories that are born of this, are without a doubt endless in number. MPS has created a space for these Philmont stories to live at Philmontstories.org. So when you’re trying to explain Philmont to those who have never been, or you simply want to reminisce or contribute - check out the web page to discover and share. It is also the place to access past Phil-News articles, old documentaries, and more.
"I Don't Mind" from Trail: The Rock Opera. VHS recording of 1997 performance by the Thunder Ridge Conservationists and the Cyphers Mine Staff.
Nebraska State 4-H Camp
Philmont Experience:2014 & 2016 - Treks
2017 - Ranger
2018 - Ranger/TSI
2019 - Ranger Trainer
2020 Fall - Seasonal Marketing Specialist, transitioned to full-time Marketing Manager
Notable Mentions:Dominic Bymo
Bryan Hayek
Justin Kernes
Tucker Prescott
Monica Dunn
Ellyn Washburne
Joe D
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Elder Wilson, spent thirteen summers as a Chaplain at Philmont Scout Ranch. For him, the beauty of being a Chaplain was the privilege to be able to serve the entire ranch - staff and participants alike. Philmont is a place where you can experience numerous faiths in action, attend services, and simply be still in the presence and wonder of nature. For Elder Wilson, the team of Philmont Chaplains were there for each other, a band of brothers - they would often meet to discuss the best ways to comfort, console, and celebrate when giving birth announcements or death notices.
He reminds us that sometimes the best counsel given is to look and listen twice as much as one speaks. He attests to the reputation of Chaplains and their backcountry driving tendencies, he celebrates the ministry of presence, and discusses future growth of the department to include improved resources such as professional therapists or counselors, to work in conjunction with the Chaplaincy.
Philmont Experience:1996 -Trek Advisor
1988 - current: Assorted PTC Courses (participant and/or faculty)
2002-2015: Chaplain for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
2003-2015: Chaplain Coordinator
Notable MentionsRabbi Ziek Palnek
Charles Osborne
Jay Telrav
Padre
Father Donald Hummell
Charlene Wilson
Mark Anderson
Doug Palmer
Charles Duran
John Celley
Kevin Stickelman
Nate Lay
Bob Mosher
Bucko's Dad
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Phil first trekked with the inaugural group of Kit Carson Men in 1968. He returned and worked on staff in the 60s and 70s. From 2014 on, he’s been heavily involved with the PSA and this summer, he completed his 14th PSA trek. As a ranger on staff in 69, Phil appreciated and enjoyed the exposure to diversity, guiding crew from all over the country. The rest of his tenure was spent in the backcountry, namely the two summers he was CD at Fish Camp - back when the hot water heater, shower, and flushing toilet was still functioning. Phil shares many stories including the two year concrete removal project and the epic New Years fish fry.
In the second portion of his interview, Phil highlights the rewarding work of being involved with the Philmont Staff Association - where his Philmont family has grown exponentially. He specifically discusses a behind the scenes take on Volunteer Vacation and PhilBreak. Both of which are an economical and worthwhile way to visit the ranch and give back.
Philmont Experience:1968 - Kit Carson Men (Rayado)
1969 - Ranger
1970 - Training Ranger
1971 - Camp Director - Fish Camp
1972 - Camp Director - Fish Camp
1973 - Camp Director - Baldy Town
1974 - Camp Director - Cimarroncito
2014-2016 - PSA Central Region Director
2017-2019 - PSA National Director
2020-2022 - PSA National Director
2023-2026 - PSA National Director
2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 - PSA Volunteer Vacation
2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - PSA PhilBreak
2005-2022 - 14 PSA Treks and 2 PSA Autumn Adventures
Notable Mentions:Mike Berrett
Bill Shriver
Joe Davis
Clarence Dune
Dave Caffey
Anne Marie Kauffman
Greg McCuen
Brad Plumb
John Kalkaterra
Nick Pizer
Richard Persico
Dollie O'Neill
Kevin Dowling
Randy Saunders
Lee Hucksteph
John Sully
Mike Crockett
Ben Harper
Alex Rose
Lee Hughes
Shayla Ridgway
Ed Pease
Mark Stinnett
Stephen and Cynthia Trumper
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As a young Scout, Jeb looked up to the older boys in is troop and dreamed of one day going to the elusive Philmont Scout Ranch. After trekking in 2012, he began on staff in 2015 and worked 6 seasons total. He quickly found his forte in the Conservation Department. On work crew in 2016, perseverance was the name of the game. He excelled and went on to become a Work Crew Foreman. In that role Jeb appreciated the autonomy and opportunity to experience the benefits of successful team delegation. We chat about behind the scenes cons things including what exactly work crews do on their 10 day runs in the backcountry, as well as the importance of building positive relationships with backcountry staff.
In 2018, Jeb was hired to be the Work Crew Coordinator. When the Ute Park Fire hit, he and three others were suddenly tasked with managing not 20, but 150 people - teaching them skills they had just learned themselves. The perseverance and delegation Jeb had experienced in his previous years on staff, came into action that summer. Jeb also met his girlfriend at Philmont, and we laugh together while discussing the terrors of breaking the ice, and having those first interactions with someone you admire.
Today Jeb is the business owner of Redwine Wood Design. While studying in college to become a mechanical engineer, Jeb would seek out woodworking as a way to provide some mental relief and creativity. Soon folks started commissioning pieces from him, and he found himself operating a successful woodworking business. Jeb’s philosophy behind Redwine Wood Design is to embrace the character, story, and flaws of each piece he designs. This philosophy is inspired by a Japanese concept of finding beauty in the imperfections of life, celebrating the cracks, crevices, and all other marks that time, weather, and love leave behind. Check out his unique items including wooden bowls, pipes, jewelry and more by following Redwine Wood Design on Instagram and Facebook.
Philmont Experience:2012: Trek Participant
2015: PC Cimarroncito
2016: Work Crew Staff
2017: Work Crew Foreman
2018: Work Crew Coordinator
2021: Camper Cons Coordinator
Fall 2021: Conservation Shop Coordinator
Notable Mentions:Seth
Jerry
Anne
Sid
Waite Gitzel
Gerald Ray Short
Seth Eldridge
Alex Cartlidge
Joe Robinson
Cimarron NM Rock Shop
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Welcome to Season 5 of Silver On the Sage Podcast. We are four months away from celebrating our two year anniversary and fourteen interviews away from our 100th episode. I want to thank all those who contributed to today's campfire episode - I can’t think of a better way to acknowledge the immeasurable impact that Philmont has had on us, than gathering together to share music and stories. Enjoy the show!
Set List:
Intro - 8 year old Caitlin
Iron John Logan - Highway Creek
Ali Meeks - Landslide & Moreno
Trevor Lombardi - Waiting On a Song
Larry & Evan McLaughlin and Andy Gerhart - Paradise
Carly & Dylan McDermott - Hold me Close and New Railroad
Chris Sawyer - River Town
Chris and Rod Taylor - Dublin Blues
Lottice Taylor - Poem by Robert Service - The Men that don't fit in
Metcalf 2022 - Bonito and Crossing The Bar
Rob Heyduck - Touch Me Not
Cyphers 2016 with Tyler Minchow - Jesse Got Trapped in a Coal mine
Tom Munch - On the loose
Mathias Olson and Slim Uribe-Goertz - Bittersweet and Leave Colorado
Ben Harries & 2015 Metcalf Staff - Old Man Song
Josh Standard with Hawk and Crow - Shove the Pigs Foot Further in the Fire & Adeline
Ingria Jones - Frozen Logger Song
Jimmy Lowe - Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner & Tam Lin
John Hardin Sawyer - The Broken Road
The Calico Stray - Georgetown
Bucko Cowden - Piggy
Dom & Geno Alesandrini - Hesitation Blues and Greenback Dollar
Sam Anderson - I won't be found & The Gardener
Sam and Annie Anderson - Down in the Valley
John Ficke - Philmont Don't forget me
Beaubien 2012 Staff - Someday Soon
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Alex Avé Lallemant has lived and traveled all over the world as a Foreign Service Officer. He shares a witty and insightful interview, revealing how impactful our time on staff really is. As a young fourteen year old, Alex was tested on the trail. His crew pushed him to lead, and he found himself building confidence and accomplishing more than he ever thought he could.
Alex spent five summers in the Ranger department, and one summer in the backcountry. Infused with the spirit of adventure, positively, and comradery - Alex saw the backcountry staffed camps as the organs and the rangers as the lifeblood of the Philmont experience. As Rayado Trek Coordinator for two summers in 96 and 97, Alex witnessed the Rayado program build confidence in youth in a genuine, non-performative way - giving participants a unique and energetic rocket fuel for life.
Alex was at the ranch this summer, as an advisor on trek with two of his three sons. Their crew consisted of scouts from all over the world. For Alex, being able to experience Philmont with his kids, and really see them begin to understand and love it’s magic - was a recursive and full-circle feeling, hard to put into words.
Alex is currently the Consular Section Chief at the US Embassy in Harare, Zimbabwe. He has been a career Foreign Service Officer since 2000 with extensive experience in national security, immigration law, counterterrorism, refugee resettlement, humanitarian assistance, and more. His work is a calling and a passion. The happiest people he knows are the ones working for a mission they believe in.
He praises Philmont staff for showing up for each other and no matter how seemingly opposite we may be - the common bond of Philmont puts us all on the same team.
Philmont ExperienceParticipant: 1987, 1988, 1989
Advisor: 2022
Ranger - 1992
Rayado Ranger - 1994
Training Ranger (i.e. Ranger Trainer) -1995
Rayado Trek Coordinator - 1996, 1997
ACD/Head Rock Cito - 1998
Notable MentionsChris Sawyer
Daryl Trusty
Rachel
Jim Catchmore
CJ Cadess
Chad Giles
Patrick Stanforth
Trish Daily Seifert
Don Hummell and Jim
Larry McLaughlin
Tobasco Donkeys
Eric Voss
Greg Harper aka GS Harper
Julie Smith Vigil
Cynthia Newcome Trumper
Megan Tilison
PJ Parmer
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Music has the power to shift our attitude, enhance an experience, recall detailed memories, and more. Philmont music is a special breed; all of its own. It’s not just the chords and lyrics, it’s the warm night breeze while overlooking the Tooth at Crater, or the impromptu staff after-show as crews hike off to their tents, headlamps bouncing, it’s the telling of our best or worst stories, its the wrangler sharing cowboy poetry, its the energy inside the stomp cabin, lanterns swinging, its rainy night porch performances, and hearing that one romantic tune that makes your Philmont fling unable to sleep at night. Music is medicine, in the form of the present moment and a longing memory - all at once.
Today’s guest, GS Harper, grew up surrounded by music. His own father was a singer songwriter, and GS aspired to follow in his footsteps, and did just that. Ironically, until the 2021 season, GS never actually applied for any of his Philmont jobs. For four summers in the 90s, he was a walk on. He would simply show up, with guitar in hand, and they’d find him a spot.
In this episode GS discusses everything from the recording of the Tobasco Donkey’s Yarn Sessions album at his mothers place in Cimarron, to the old Inter-Mountain Relay tradition, getting lost hiking and accidentally doing super black death, ghosts at Cypher's, and more. GS met his wife at Philmont, and we discuss that magic - how there’s a certain type of person who returns to Philmont for seven or eight summers in a row. And since you are seldom in a situation like that, surrounded by those types of twin flames or mirrored souls - it’s no wonder we carry on together throughout life.
GS was recently on staff in 2021 as CD at Beaubien. We get to discuss his experience being back on staff after a 22 year hiatus. It was a great experience and GS would highly recommend it, in fact, he hopes it’s not his last summer on staff yet.
Today GS is a career singer-songwriter and guitarist. He shares some of his favorite memories playing music all over the world. He also shares the backstory of the well loved tune, August Day, which he wrote while on staff in 1995. We close by recalling memories and GS says quote, “His Philmont experience has colored everything, and has informed every decision in his life since."
Philmont Experience1987- ten day trek. Exp 802A
1988- ten day trek. Exp 629T
1991- Basecamp Activities
1992- PC Cyphers Mine
1995- PC Crate Lake
1996- PC Pueblano
2021- CD Beaubien
Notable MentionsBrent Smith
Dean Tooley
Todd Conklin
Eric Voss
Tobasco Donkeys
Lee Hughes
Andy Garhart
Larry Mclaughlin
Cherry Bennet
Maureen Russell Harper
Doug Palmer
Jag Mclaughlin
Dave Bates
David and Dollie O’Neill
Kevin Magnus
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It’s no secret that we love Philmont and its people. Many of us work seven, eight, or nine summers or seasons in a row. We even consider and some of us achieve - the dream of returning on staff full-time. In November of 2021, Nancy Coleman Stickelman and her husband Kevin made that happen for their family as Kevin was offered the Director of Facilities position.
For Nancy, Scouting and Philmont have been a part of her life for quite some time. Today she resides on property with her family in the Upper Heck House, previously occupied by Bob and Rachel Ricklefs. She recalls her first experience on trek, during a backcountry rainstorm, basking in a moment of the world feeling limitless, with infinite possibilities to experience love and success.
Nancy worked seven summers in the backcountry, including in 2000 - she was CD at Fish Camp the first summer that it became interpretive, and in 2002 - she was first female CD at Cyphers Mine. In 2003 she worked alongside Doug Palmer and Deborah Blanche developing and deepening accurate roots for the interpretive program - collecting historical guidelines, first person characters, and music to reflect the correct era being portrayed.
For Nancy, Philmont has always been about interacting with its people and developing those meaningful connections. Nancy is working to carve out a place for herself at the ranch, and she has enjoyed substitute teaching in the Cimarron Schools. She aims to replicate the welcoming nature of backcountry camps, by sharing food and conversation at her home or in the dining hall, amongst a crowded table.
Philmont Experience:1996 Regular Trek with my Explorer Post from Decatur, GA.
1997 HOD PC
1998 Fish Camp PC
1999 HOD CD
2000 Fish Camp CD (first year interp)
2001 French Henry CD
2002 Cypher’s Mine CD (first year women were at Cyphers)
2003 BCM
2002 Autumn Adventure Guide
2003 Autumn Adventure Guide, Interp Camps historical research
2013-2016 PSA Western Region Board Member
2023 PSA Mountain Region Board Member
2021- November Kevin became the Director of Facilities
Notable Mentions:Andrea Nuccio Watson
Mark Anderson
Kevin Stickelman
Allison Vinson Defrees
Christine Krupa
Sam Sorken
Theresa Barns
Bill Spice
Sharon
Mark Anderson
Keith Galloway
Deborah Blanch
Dave Kissell
Jennifer Cummings
Derek Gotlieb
Bob & Rachel Ricklefs
Doug Palmer
Amy Long Hanks
Linda Anderson
RW Hampton
Dave Werhane
Eric Locklar
Donnie Lundsford
Joey Martinez
Fran Romero
Betty Pecheo
Jim and Louise Johnson
Barbara Garcia
Holly Demouth
Kevin Ferdinand
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Jackie’s Philmont participant story begins with a bang - in 2013 on day 2 as a Ranch Hand at Clark’s Fork she suffered a serious injury on horseback. After a rough, year-long recovery, she was most upset by the fact that she wasn’t able to complete the Ranch Hands experience. She finally returned in 2019 on staff at PTC. Jackie celebrates PTC as being a place to experience so many different opportunities from backcountry hikes and COPE to crafts and evening program. Even better, on PTC staff you witness participants from age six to age eighty, excel and enjoy these adventures.
Jackie lives by the philosophy that “Once you get too comfortable in a role or department, it’s time to seek out something new, and push yourself to grow.” Jackie did just that in 2020, when she applied to work in the Philmont Conservation department. Jackie feels privileged to have spent the height of covid at Miners Park with a group of 11 others, clearing forest. She went on to become trained as a Conservation Forestry Foreman, learning the extensive science, safety, and history that is involved in logging.
Lastly, Jackie discusses her post-covid experience as the Summer 2021 PTC Program Director. With heavy crew loads and few returning staff, it was type-2 fun at the time, but she reflects on how rewarding it was to watch her staff grow that season. In her ninth consecutive season at the ranch, Jackie was the Winter Basecamp Manager, where she hired all basecamp departments. Today Jackie is a Park Ranger at the US Army Corps of Engineers, in Abiquiu, NM.
Jackie's father, Greg Rapport, runs a non-profit for children aging out of the foster care system: Age Out Angels. Check it out!
Philmont Experience:2012 - Cavalcade participant
2013 - Ranch Hands participant
Staff:
Summer 2019: Program Counselor at the PTC
Fall 2019: Autumn PTC Staff
Winter 2020: Cons Forestry Work Crew Member (Season ended early because of COVID)
Summer 2020: Originally hired to be an OATC Foreman but came on staff as a Cons Forestry Work Crew Member (One of 11 Forestry staff hired, we were based out of Miners Park it was incredible)
Fall 2020: Conservation Forestry Foreman (Season ended early because of COVID, did some cool cutting in the Burn for forestry research)
Winter 2021: Conservation Forestry Foreman
Summer 2021: PTC Program Director
Autumn 2021: Autumn Basecamp Manager
Winter 2022: Winter Basecamp Manager
Notable MentionsMike Crockett
Keith Nelson
Bryan Stokes
Brad
Ben
Chase Dormeyer
Will Campbell
Phillip Ferrier
Maddy Hauk
Brian Sibert
Slim Uribe Goertz
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Emily Megee joins the show to discuss her five summers on staff and three unique summers as a participant. On Rayado, she came off the trail with a new vision of what it could mean to be a positive, impactful person in life. And how impactful friendship is defined. She encountered moments of clarity - where the world could be both big and terrible, and slow and beautiful all at once. These moments and many more solidified her passion towards the person she is and the work she does today.
While living and working in the backcountry, Emily learned all necessary practical skills for life. Philmont gave her the time and space to develop into her authentic self. Her year as ACD at Head of Dean drove her to want to show up differently, and be a better leader. As backcountry manager, she tackled the challenging balance of growing backcountry staff while supporting them. The same concept that crews strive to follow - let the scouts lead, and the adults support. Emily chats about successful leadership which she believes focuses on listening, outsourcing what you cannot alone solve, and forgetting not the bigger picture of why you are at the ranch.
Today Emily is an REI Store Manager in Woodbridge, VA. She equates her role at REI to that of BCM, creating relationships with her team and discovering what inspires them. Emily believes that if you show up for others, they’ll show up for you. In 2018 she was selected and nominated by her peers to receive the REI Anderson Award, which recognizes team members whose contributions exemplify REI’s Core Values and support their Mission.
Final quote Emily shares: “Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books that are now written in a very foreign tongue. Do not now seek the answers, which cannot be given you because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.” Rainer Maria Rilke
Philmont Experience:2008 - Regular trek with venture crew
2009 - Rayado
2010 - ROCS
2011 - PC Carson Meadows
2012 - PC Dan Beard
2013 - ACD Head of Dean
2014 - CD Sawmill
2015 - BCM
Emily would like to encourage listeners to check out The Venture Out Project. They are a group that help get queer and transgender individuals outside.
Notable Mentions:Allison King
Carrie Anderson
Lindsay Hickman Johnson
Allison Vinson Defrees
Briana Howland
Matt Hubbard
Jimmy Lowe
Jimmy Fritz
Sean and Lela Murphy
Lee Ferin
Zac Garmore
Austin St. George
Nichole Butler
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Doug worked seasonally at Philmont for 10 summers from 1987 to 1996. He then went on to volunteer 17 years for the PSA as their Technology Manager from 2004 - 2021. In this episode Doug chats about ominous encounters at Urraca, the hard to sell program of Santa Claus in the 90s, bears, mullets and everything in-between. We also chat about how Doug ended up mid-summer as the sole person working at and eventually gathering Urraca in 1992.
Doug’s philosophy was always to make sure the scouts had the same quality experience as he did as a youth on trek. He applauds Philmont staff for being the type of people who make crew experiences great, no matter the job. Doug met his wife at Philmont, and today they have four daughters who are all involved in Scouts and Girl Scouts alike. Thank you Doug for being on the show and having such a witty sense of self, and for dedicating so many years to the PSA, helping create streamlined processes for the website and more.
Philmont Experience82 Regular Trek
84 Regular Trek
86 Regular Trek
87 PTC Food Service
88 PTC Food Service
89 Ranger
90 PTC South Tent City Mgr
91 PTC Services Mgr
92 CD Urraca
93 CD Santa Claus
94 CD Ponil
94 (fall) Asst Coordinator - Autumn Adventure
95 CD Cimarroncito
96 CD Beaubien
2004 - 2021 PSA Technology Mgr
2021 - Regular Trek - Advisor
Notable Mentions:Julie Smith Vigil
Reggie Jayne
Doug Palmer
Dean Tooley
Dave Kenneke
Tek Man
Rachel & Bob Ricklefs
Rod & Patty Taylor
Colleen McLaughlin
Carrie Fasching
Megan Wicker
Eric Voss
Gene Schnell
Chris Bryant
Scott Tony
Rice Brewer
Michelle Allen
Randy Saunders
Dollie O’Neill
Shayla Felix
Wally Wolanin
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Administrative Champions, Customer Service Experts, and Culture of Excellence Creators. For 30-40 years Betty Pacheco and Fran Romero served in various roles, but spent most of their time working as Camping Registrar and Camping Secretary. These two ladies made sure that day in and day out the job was done, and done right. Fran and Betty grew up together, and met in grade school in Cimarron, They both began working for Philmont while still in High School. Fran worked with PTC children and Betty as a switchboard operator and commissary clerk.
Then and today - the role of Philmont Camping Registrar and Camping Secretary perform essential, rigorous work. In these roles, Betty and Fran spent hours corresponding with adult leaders and coaching new advisors - from booking travel, logistics of early arrivals, account balances and more - Fran and Betty would field many calls, often from the same individuals with new and familiar questions. After months of planning adult leaders and their crews would finally arrive at Philmont - trail bound. From time to time, the leaders would ask to meet the familiar voices across the line, which was so rewarding and always welcomed by Betty and Fran.
The two discuss in length the incredible evolution the registration process has gone through during their time from 1990-2020. From doing everything by pen and paper and snail mail to email, electronic payments, and online reservations. Betty and Fran saw their roles shift from tedious manual work to efficient and automated processes. They remained active in the ever-evolving systems by taking trips to the National Office to meet with the IT crew and helping the reservation phone bank company in Dubuque, Iowa - these women were on the front lines of change, helping the transition succeed seamlessly.
The main system that Philmont uses today first originated in 2004 and was created by former Philmont employee Bryan Hayek and his brother-in-law Jime Lopez. These two men designed a massive database, which initially saved Betty and Fran hours of manual input and typing. It then went on to include seasonal staff hiring, infirmary, and many more departments at Philmont today. The phrase “Philmont Machine” is largely accomplished by folks in these roles, who are so dedicated to the Ranch and approach each task at hand with excellence.
Betty and Fran reflect on their years at the Camping Headquarters Office with heartfelt memories of making the work fun, laughing during daily breaks with chips and salsa, and how the days just flew by. Towards the end of their tenure, Fran took a role at the Admin office across the road. On that day, both girls cried. During the two summers that Philmont closed program - in 2018 due to the Ute Park fire and the 2020 Covid pandemic - Betty and Fran were the ones calling crews, processing refunds, and scheduling future reservations. After those two challenging years, the girls decided it was time to make good on their pack, and retire together.
Many thanks to everyone behind the scenes who work tirelessly to make Philmont a place of wilderness adventure that lasts a lifetime.
Betty PachecoSeasonal
1972 - Switchboard operator and commissary clerk
1973 - Accounting department clerk
Full-Time
1974-1987 - Accounting Department Clerk & Assistant bookkeeper
1988-1989 - Camping Secretary/Assistant Camping Registrar
1990-2020 - Camping Registrar
Fran RomeroSeasonal
1972 & 1973 - PTC small fry Full-Time
1989-1992 - PTC Secretary
1992 - 2019 - Senior Secretary/Assistant Registrar
2019 - 2020 - Admin Assistant to General Manager
Notable Mentions:
Rachel Ricklefs
Mark Anderson
Frank Reigleman
Amanda Martinez
Betty Brown
Bryan Hayek
Jime Lopez
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Married couple Matt Hubbard and Emily Bergman join the show. With lots of laughs and answering questions in tandem, Emily and Matt share how their experience at Philmont, “laid the foundation for the rest of their lives.” The couple jokes that Matt imported his Phil-fling, as Emily followed him to Philmont after the couple had met in college. With a hodgepodge assortment of borrowed gear from friends and family, Emily’s first summer as a Ranger sparked something completely new within her. As a Mountain Trek Rayado Ranger her second summer, she continued her passion for teaching youth to lead and truly experience the outdoors with empowerment and confidence.
Matt discusses his seven summer tenure through various lenses including his role as BCM and his intention to lead by injecting his authentic self into the role in order to make it better. He did so via the Philmont adopted FISH philosophy of "choose your attitude", "play", "make their day" and "be there". Philmont was a stepping off point for Matt - teaching him how to go out into the world and do big things. Big things that the couple have accomplished together, include hiking the Pacific Crest Trail and serving in the Peace Corps.
Emily shares how she developed a sense of community at Philmont that she had not expired prior. She carried that notion of community with her in the Peace Corps, and helped facilitate and run an outdoor camp for teen girls in rural Jamaica. Matt shares a poetic description of savoring the little rituals of backcountry life such as prepping advisors coffee as the sun sets and a hard day's work is done.
Today, Matt’s thirst for direct service and servant leadership has led him to his current role as a student in PA school. Emily works for a non-profit called Project V.E.T.S - healing the planet one animal at a time, while also pursuing her own entrepreneurial endeavors. From pancakes and classic rock denim vest Phil-fiestas and getting lost while hiking Baldy to backcountry disc golf and hiking with honey to pep people up - Emily and Matt are admittedly not always prepared but they always approach bumps in the road with humility and humor.
Lastly - as we are mid-way through the 2022 Philmont summer season, I thought it would be fun to note that one year ago today, Peter Bingen’s episode aired on the podcast. For those of you who don’t know, Peter wrote the beloved song titled “I Don’t Mind.” So if you’re feeling the ache and missing those magnetic pile of rocks, grab your headphones, tune out the rest of the world, step outside, and “find some ground lace up your boots start walkin'
Philmont Experience:Matt Hubbard
2009 - PC Dan Beard
2010 - PC Miners Park
2011 - PC Miranda
2012 - CD Seally Canyon
2013 - CD Head of Dean
2014 - Backcountry Manager (BCM)
2015 - BCM
Emily Bergman
2013 - Ranger
2015 - Mountain Trek Rayado Ranger
Notable Mentions:Karl and Melissa Hubbard
Lela Puckett
Helen Jent
Chris Sawyer
Dollie O'Neill
Ranger Blane
Tyler Livermore
Uncle - Bruce Wagner
Bryan Delany
Stephen Alexander
Jesse Coffman
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Lori first came to Philmont to visit a boyfriend, and ended up staying the rest of the summer to work. With no intention to return the next year, she suddenly got the itch and found herself craving another Westward adventure. Her first official summer on staff, she was a PTC group leader. She recalls PTC being a great place for a non-scouter to start her Philmont career. She also remembers her tight knit group of girlfriends who spent days off in the backcountry together learning the ins and outs of backpacking.
As a PC at Beaubien, she found herself across the meadow each morning, helping the wranglers prepare for tailrides. She soon graduated from currying to saddling and became an honorary wranglers assistant. The next summer, she returned as a wrangler, and eventually become the 4th female horsemen on South Cavalcade.
From shoeing and topping off, to horse drives and rodeo dances - Lori found herself amongst her own - a Ranch department family rooted in hard work, respect, and education. As South Cav horseman in 1997 and 1998, Lori thrived as a leader and embraced the opportunity to build relationships with backcountry staff camps. Lori met her husband at Philmont and says quote "There's just something about a guy in interps." Today the Lori and her family remain active in Scouting and Philmont.
Removed from all other distractions, Philmont gave Lori the time and space to think about who she wanted to be as she went forward into life. The hard work she encountered as a wrangler put into context other challenges in life - that with some grit and trusted friends, one could make it through hardships, and grow from them too.
Philmont Experience1993 – PTC East Tent City Asst. Manager (partial summer)
1994 – PTC Family Program
1995 – PC Beaubien
1996 – Wrangler
1997 – Horseman – South Cavalcade
1998 – Horseman – South Cavalcade
Non-Philmont Scouting Experience2002 – 2005 – Exploring Executive / District Executive – Denver Area Council, BSA. Currently Chartered Organization Representative for T510 (Boy & Girl) and Crew 510 out of Naperville, IL
Notable Mentions:Ali Wick Meeks
Forest McVicker
Cricket Lundstein
Jolene Clark
Trisha Daily
Penita Hansbel
Jen Temple
Rachel Rickleffs
Bob Rickleffs
Lori Cochrin
David Newshoff aka Trigger
Travis Powell
Matt Todd
Stacey Greene
Jeremy Spivey
Shelley Keff Phillips
1996 wranger female crew - Tara, Ana, Christy, Eva
Joe Leak
Ben Vargas
Marylin Vargas
Rod Taylor
Chris swayne
Christine Mathews Speed
Jake Anderson
Travis Powell
Roger Smith - Cold Beer
David Repovich
Reggie Jayne
Eric Voss
Father Don Hummell
Larry McLaughlin - Dirty Larry
Doug Fasching
Eric Lochlier
Sam Sorkin
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Every other year or so, Annie Anderson’s family made the trek from Tennessee to Philmont to attend PTC. And ever since then, for Annie, Philmont has always felt like home. As a PTC participant, Annie loved meeting kids her own age and running around the wilderness together. Today, she shares stories from her time as a participant on Mountain Trek, ROCS, and Rayado. From altitude sickness and homesickness, to playing cards in camp and receiving motivating i-camps on the trail - all three special treks had elements of intimidating capability and tremendous spirit. Rayado specifically allowed Annie the chance to experience a zen state of mental stimulation via surrendering control to the unknown and unexpected.
All together, her time spent as a Philmont participant, prepared her for her time on staff in 2018 as a TSI crew member (originally hired as PC Beaubien), 2021 PC Metcalf, and in the fall of 2021 she worked and lived at Fish Camp on Cabin Restoration.
Today Annie is an avid climber, artist, and loves spending time with her family and friends who are like family. Her brother Sam is her biggest mentor and together they close this episode with a special tune for you all.
Philmont Experience:PTC - participant as a youth
2013 - Mountain Trek
2015 - ROCS
2016 - Rayado
2018 - PC Beaubien / TSI
2020 - Metcalf station - Covid
2021- PC Metcalf Station
Fall 2021 - Cabin Restoration
Notable Mentions:Sam and Whitney Anderson
Lloyd Kunutzen
Claire Ficke
Ellyn Washburne
Carson Mcrae
Lottice Taylor
Bonnie
Maggie Neil
Tim Collver
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As a current Philosophy Instructor at the University of Idaho, Bryce discusses backcountry culture, logger camps, Phil-flings, and the connective elements of sharing food and drink - all through a philosophical and contemplative lens.
Bryce praises Philmont for teaching him to appreciate mentors and staff with opposing world views and how to be patient and adaptive at such a young age. That it’s okay not to know what to expect - in fact, if given the opportunity to expect the unexpected, one is actually, better prepared.
Bryce misses meals with staff and what they represent - a time to gather, swap stories, and pause before daytime or evening program. Those quiet moments in camp, when perhaps the existential awareness of self becomes very profound, intoxicating, and a shared mystery amongst all Philmont staff. How years of lived history collide with the unique individuals who are there today - speaking through the landscape, each and every fleeting summer.
His stories include epic Phil-fiestas at Crater Lake and of course music. Bryce says, “There is undoubtedly a connection between his life's trajectory and his experience at Philmont,” Today Bryce is a Senior Instructor of Philosophy at the University of Idaho. He studies existentialism, environmental ethics, and feminism. And, most recently, he is interested in addressing the ways various topics in philosophy intersect with various topics and questions surrounding perceptions of alcohol and alcohol use. He is the accomplished Editor of the text: Handling the Hard Stuff: Conversations on the Philosophy of Alcohol.
Philmont Experience2001 - Trek Participant
2007 - PC Pueblano
2008 - PC Crater Lake
2009 - CD Crater Lake
Notable Mentions:Barbara Garcia
David Burchfield
Phillip Lewis
Mark Bryson
Ry Taylor
Will Taylor
Pete Weber
Alex Pagnotta
Travis
Phil Lewis
Gene Schnell
Pete Weber
Austin Best & Jessica
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Eli Page-Goertz
Andrew Garner
Walter Bear
Adam and Brad Herrinbrook
Kerri Anderson
Barbara Garcia
Dom Alisindrini
Tim Collver
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51 years ago, Brad Plumb was given the opportunity to quit his summer gig lifeguarding, and work instead as a PC at the then very quiet and secluded Clear Creek. It was "the best summer of his life." Brad shares a description of Clear Creek somewhat unfamiliar to most of us - as a place at the end of the earth, no gas, no electricity, and no direct contact to base camp. His experiences there were formative and primitive - learning to build a smokehouse to make jerky, and even partaking in a rocky mountain gray jay feast with scouts - his memories are romantic and idyllic.
After a very primitive year at Clear Creek, he returned in 1972 which ended up being a much more active and diverse experience - Brad was hired to be a PC at Cyphers, but ended up a PC at Cito and later that same summer CD at Crater. Brad shares stories from bear trap encounters and memorial latrines to being a part of the first officially approved rappel of the Tooth of Time.
Since his time on staff, Brad has been very active in the PSA and is currently on the board of directors. After participating in numerous PSA treks, Volunteer Vacations, and Phil-Break, Brad celebrates the valuable work of volunteering and giving back.
Brad closes the episode reflecting how Philmont is such an emotional experience - a place of intense relationships, of life-long bonds, and of soulmates.
Philmont Experience:1968: Trek participant
1971: PC Clear Creek
1972: ACD Cimarron Cito (beginning of summer – July 25)
1972: CD Crater Lake (July 25-end of summer)
1973: CD Crater Lake
1996: PTC District Key 3 Training
1997: Trek with Son’s explorer post
PSA Treks: 1999, 2001, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2021
Volunteer Vacation: 2016, 2018, 2020, 2021
Phil-Break: 2021
PSA Board: 2003-2005, 2021-2023
Notable Mentions:Dave Plumb
Joe Clay
Gene Tyson
Bill Schriver
Lee Davis
Joe Davis
Burky
Matt McClain
Dave Bates
Robyn Slack
Bjorn Kelstrum
John Nickel
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Having never been to Philmont Scout Ranch, Dollie O'Neill began a journey to what would become her home in March of 2011 when her husband David O'Neill was offered a full time position at the ranch. Eleven years later, the O'Neill's remain at Philmont, with their two daughters and furry friends. Dollie shares her "fish out of water" experience arriving at Philmont, and slowly but surely becoming a contributing part of the magic it has to offer.
As a first time seasonal staffer, Dollie began as a receptionist in the Health Lodge in 2012. She quickly came to know and understand Philmont as she witnessed the grit, the care, and the grace that the infirmary staff put into their work - literally saving lives and performing miracles. At 39 years old, she went on her first Philmont trek while at the same time starting a new role as the Executive Director of the Philmont Staff Association. Dollie served in that role for 5 years and 10 months, successfully fundraising and helping grow the associations membership.
Today Dollie continues to explore who she wants to be when she grows up, and she dares to dream big. We chat about her love of world travel and how it is an incredible opportunity to be immersed into a world different from your own. From Paris to Costa Rica, and Alaska to Italia - Dollie's favorite destinations and bucket list items are endless.
Lastly, we discuss the first ever Philmont Trail Race happening this August 13th, and how running has been a big part of Dollie's life before and since moving to Philmont. Dollie shares her running playlist hype music suggestions and what she's excited for for the future of the PSA and Philmont. Today she dedicates her time as a board member for Cimarron Municipal Schools and works as a corporate recruiter.
Philmont Experience:2012 - Health Lodge Secretary
2013 - 2015: PSA seasonal staff
2016 - 2021: PSA Executive Director Full-time
2016, 2019, 2021 - PSA Treks
Notable Mentions:David O'Neill
Mark and Linda Anderson
Janis & John Clark
Diane Nelson
Doug & Betty Palmer
Patty Taylor
John Celley & Mike Serio
Nate Lay
Dr. Goertz
Marie George
Meghan Herman
Eli Page-Goertz
Randy Saunders
Phil Winegardner
Nancy Coleman
Kathleen Burrito Banquet
Philip Ferrier and Chery Hamilton
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Ryan Raddatz, or perhaps more fondly known by his Philmont friends as "Raddish,” joins the show today to discuss Rayado, Philmont music, inclusive scouting, and more.
Ryan praises the musicianship and skill of todays staff, recalling how campfire dynamics of the 90s were more spontaneous and on the fly - a collaboration of new and refired musicians learning from one another. Ryan comments on how the grind of putting on a show every night, and being fueled by an audiences reaction - prepared him for his career in music and as an actor. We chat about his career as a TV Writer, and how being in the writers room - for Ryan - is the closest thing to a backcountry camp vibe. It’s a bunch of talented people, with a common goal, working together. For him success is measured by "Making something you're proud of with people you like.”
So many gems in this interview - from Ryan’s experience playing live with the Indigo Girls to the TV drama he wrote highlighting the true story of The Lost Legend of the Girl Rangers and lastly - his efforts to help start an all inclusive Cub Scout Pack in North Hollywood.
Today Ryan is an accomplished TV Writer, known for his work with PBS show WordGirl, The Ellen DeGeneres Show, and Network pilots for ABC, FOX, CBS, NBC, Disney XD, and Nickelodeon. He started his career as an actor with roles in some very well known shows and films including - A Mighty Wind, Arrested Development, How I Met Your Mother, Big Love and more!
Philmont Experience1990 - Trek with my troop (from Mequon, Wisconsin)
1992 - Trek, again with my troop
1993 - Rayado participant
1994 - PC Pueblano (Eric Voss was the CD)
1995 - PC Cypher's Mine (James Scroggins was CD)
1996 - Didn't work at the ranch that summer, but a few of us Phil-staffers (David Higginbotham, Scott Wheeler, Rob Heyduck) spent the summer living in Santa Fe and playing in a band we called Charlie's Cabin.
1997 - PC Crater Lake (Bob Brown was CD)
2018 - Ryan started a coed, inclusive Cub Scout pack in Los Angeles - Pack 18 North Hollywood.
Notable Mentions:Dave Donnelly
Laurie Anamas
Larry McLaughlin aka Dirty Larry
Gene Schnell
Doug Palmer
Dean Tooley
Eric Voss
Dave Higginbotham
Scott Wheeler
Richmond Enright
Bob Brown
Rod Taylor
Rob Heyduck
James Scroggins aka Scroggs
Peter Bingen
Andy Gerhart
GS Harper
Ron Power
Tobasco Donkeys
Dustbowl Cavaliers
Indigo Girls
Katrina Moon
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Many would say that there is a unique bond between Women of Philmont, a sisterhood of sorts. Joy Pendley and Nancy Nelson join the show to highlight this bond of friendship - one that feels more like family. From impromptu hair cuts and tent surfing, to hitch hiking in from Ute Park and enjoying the freedom of the roving ranger experience, Joy and Nancy were quote "Never lacking for happiness."
Prior to working on staff in 1985 & 86, both ladies were Rayado participants. It was via that program that they developed a can do attitude, confidence, energy, and enthusiasm for their boundless capabilities as individuals. Both Joy and Nancy celebrate and acknowledge the important work done by the Women rangers of the 70's who paved the way for them and others to follow.
Both ladies recall having larger than life role models, including Dawn Chandler and Holly Rudin, women they could aspire to be like and who set them up for success.
Philmont Experience:1984 - Rayado participants
1985, 1986 - Rangers
Notable Mentions:Mary Peischck
Holly Rudin
Dawn Chandler
Dan Mode
Johnny Custer
Todd Conklin - New Mexico Rain
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Wrapping up our four part mini-series on Wildland fire and forestry with Dr. David Godwin, PhD.
I want to thank our sponsor of the mini-series, Limmer Boot Company. Limmer believes in the power of growing communities and relationships in the outdoors, and they know that the moments of introspection and self-reliance learned there, can transform any individual. So if you’re looking for your last pair of hiking boots, check out Limmerboots.com to learn more.
Like many, David was so impacted by his time on staff as a Ranger, that upon returning home to college, he changed his major to focus on natural resources. Today David is the Director of the Southern Fire Exchange program with the University of Florida School of Forest, Fisheries, and Geomatics. The Southern Fire Exchange is part of the larger Fire Science Exchange Network which exists to accelerate awareness, understanding, adoption, and implementation of readily available wildland fire science information.
In 2014, David was thrilled to return as a Visiting Forester, where he shared his passion for and told the story of fire. He also utilized the site specific location, overlooking Cito Reservoir, to discuss the impacts of fire on natural resources such as water - as they say in the West: "Whiskeys for drinking, but waters for fighting over."
David also shares his experience at Black Lake, NM - where in 2013 he assisted in a prescribed fire training exchange, also known as TREX. Lastly, David shares some great stories from his time on staff. David remains active in Scouting, and ironically, he learned of the Zastrow Cabin being lost to the Cooks Peak fire while enrolled in a Woodbadge course in his home state of Florida.
I want to thank everyone who contributed to this feature series, and especially to those working around the clock to protect lives and structures during the Hermit's Peak / Calf Canyon and Cooks Peak fires.
Links for the Ben Horne Memorial and Ben Horne Memorial Prize at the University of California San Diego.
Closing song by Will Kemple-Taylor titled "Unfolded.” Will grew up in Cimarron and worked on Philmont staff in a variety of roles in the early 2000s including CHQ Maintenance, PC Beaubien, PC Pueblano, and Bear Researcher. Will reminds us to consider donating to the Philmont Fire Recovery and Mitigation fund, as well as the All Together New Mexico fund, and American Red Cross local disaster relief.
For more music by Will Taylor, follow him on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube.
Philmont Experience:2001 Participant - OA Trail Crew Trek
2002 Ranger / Rayado Ranger
2014 Philmont Visiting Forester
2015 PTC Student (WFA Trainer Course)
Notable Mentions:John Sawyko
Lance
Mary Stuever
Chris Sawyer
Trevor Lombardi
Ben Horne
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In this episode, we shift the focus to a historical discussion of the original program and the lodge at Zastrow. Zastrow is one of Philmont's southernmost backcountry camps where the Cooks Peak Fire burned. On April 22nd, 2022, the cabin was lost to fire.
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To kick off this episode and celebrate the historical origin of Zastrow, Bob Longoria joins the show. Bob's Philmont volunteer and staff resumes are both extensive and diverse, starting in 1986 when he attended Walking Woodbadge at Zastrow. The lodge at Zastrow was built in 1949 and was considered the home of American Woodbadge. Bob calculated that 137 Woodbadge courses occurred at Zastrow throughout it's history. The lodge was heavily decorated with scouting paraphernalia including flags, patches, shovels, and other symbolic totems of the Woodbadge program. Bob also discusses what exactly Woodbadge is - an advanced leadership program for adult Scouters world-wide, focusing on the Patrol method.
The second portion of the interview highlights Bob's experiences working for the National Junior Leader Instructor Camp, now known as NAYLE and of course, his time working for the incredible Philmont Commissary. Bob returns this summer, 2022, as the Backcountry Warehouse Manager.
Philmont Volunteer Experience
- Walking Woodbadge (Zastrow+Trek) 1988-1994
- Philmont Training Center (Conference Chairman – “Conducting a Council Junior Leader Training Conference”, 1998, 1999
- National Junior Leader Instructor Camp (Rocky Mountain Scout Camp), 1999 – 2004
- National Junior Leader Instructor Camp, National Course Director, 2005
- National Advanced Youth Leader Experience (NAYLE), National Coordinator, 2006, 2007
- Worked with Doug Palmer – Did maps and elevation profiles for the Treks Itinerary Booklet, 1998, 1999, 2000
- Philmont Fly Fishing Invitation, 2001-Present
Philmont Staff Experience
- Camp Director-Rocky Mountain Scout Camp, 2008, 2009 (summer and fall)
- Commissary Driver, 2010, 2011, 2012
- Commissary Assistant Manager, 2013
- Camp Director, Rayado Ridge (NAYLE), 2014, 2015, 2016 (summer and fall)
- Commissary Driver, 2019
- Commissary Manager, 2021
- Backcountry Warehouse Manager, 2022
Check out Sproketbob to learn more about Bob's bike tour across the US.
Closing song by Mathias Olson titled "I Brought Everything." Check out his Instagram page and tiktok @graylightmusic
Notable Mentions:Bryan Grey
Charlie Nutter
Joey Fernandez
Derek Shiney
Jim Johnson
Katie Paneck
Julie Smith
Doug Palmer
Gene Schnell
Johnny Ulibari
Andrea Watson
Olivia Starich
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Continuing our mini-series, this episode focuses on Philmont's forestry management through time. Discussing this complicated and diverse topic, John Celley and Zach Seeger join the show.
This fire series is sponsored by Limmer Boot Company. For over 100 years, Limmer has been known for providing the highest quality boots, built to last for generations with the only true single piece leather upper design. If you are in search of your last pair of hiking boots, owner Chris Sawyer looks forward to sharing how Limmer is different. Check out the reviews online and visit limmerboots.com to learn more!
Zach kicks it off discussing Philmont’s historic fire regime, in conjunction with compounding changes in the Forestry industry throughout time. He also examines Philmont’s first commercial timber harvests and unpacks in detail the forestry practices of resistance, resilience, and transition.
John reminds us of the many people and places involved in the story of Philmont’s Forestry management, and how different universal beliefs and values regarding fire, logging, and wilderness have shaped the story. He praises the community engagement of the Cimarron Watershed Alliance and advocates for broadened, uninterrupted, more committed forestry at Philmont.
Lastly, both John and Zach reflect on their experiences working with seasonal staff and professional fire crews during the 2018 Ute Park fire, and share the story of the vitally important Forestry Work Crew program, which they spearheaded into origin in 2016.
Since 2003, the Philmont Ranch Committee via the Philmont Forest Management policy became certified through the Sustainable Forestry Initiative. This rigorous annual audit ensures that Philmont’s forests are being managed at the highest level of sustainability, with regard to the complexity and variability across Philmont's landscape.
John Celley1995 - Regular trek participant
1997 - Regular trek participant
1999 - Ranger
2002 - Logistics, Fall - Fire Rehab Crew Member
2003 - Winter - Fire Rehab Crew Member
2003 - Lead Conservationist - Head of Dean, Fall - Fire Rehab Foreman
2004 - Summer - Associate Director of Conservation - Conservationists
2004 - Fall - Fire Rehab Foreman
2005 - Summer - Associate Director of Conservation - Conservationists
2005 - Fall - Fire Rehab Foreman
2006 - Field Manager
2007 - Field Manager
2008 - Director of Conservation
2009 - Director of Conservation
2009 - Fall - GIS Coordinator
2012 - Summer/Fall - Field Manager
2013 - Winter/Summer/Fall - Field Manager
2014 - Winter/Summer/Fall - Recreation Resource Manager
2015 - Started full-time on January 1 - Recreation Resource Manager/Conservation Foreman/Director of Conservation
2018 - Last working day on December 31
Zach Seeger2004 - Participant
2012 - Summer GIS Staff, Fall Work Crew, Winter GIS
2013 - GIS Coordinator - Summer, Fall, Winter
2014 - Winter GIS
2015 - Summer Field Manager, Fall & Winter GIS
2016 - Summer Forester Work Crew ADC, Fall - became full time
2016 - 2019 - Full Time Forester (First ever)
Notable Mentions:Mark Anderson
Mike Serio
Daniel Godwin
Mary Stuever
Bob Ricklefs
Kevin & Nancy Stickelman
Doug Palmer
Jacob Davidson
Chris Sawyer
Jay Mitten
Michael Crockett
Kevin Dowling
John McMan
Robert Fudge
Eric Martinez
Nate Lay
The Carson National Forest Team
Paul Mondragone
Jordan Moede
Arnie Freed
Kent Reed
Gus Holmes
Rick Smith
Michael Sudmeier
Randa Celley
Cliff Gyle
CS Ranch, Davis Family
Seth Mangini
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This episode was recorded on Saturday, April 23rd, the day after catastrophic conditions pushed the Cooks Peak Fire onto Philmont's southern region, resulting in the loss of the cabin at Zastrow, among other effects. The introduction was recorded on Monday night April 25th: Cooks Peak Fire 54,021 acres and 18% containment.
Cooks Peak WildfireCause: Under Investigation
Date of Origin: Sunday April 17th, 2022 approx. 04:15 PM
Location: North of Ocate in Mora County
Coordinates: 36.243 latitude, -105.038 longitude
This fire series is sponsored by Limmer Boot Company. For over 100 years, Limmer has been known for providing the highest quality boots, built to last for generations with the only true single piece leather upper design. If you are in search for your last pair of hiking boots, owner Chris Sawyer looks forward to sharing how Limmer is different, and how his 18-year-old Limmer Lightweights have been his most trusted companions, at Philmont, while working with Type 1 Incident Management Teams on large fires during graduate school, and on adventures around the globe. Check out the reviews online and visit limmerboots.com to learn more!
To begin this feature series, I talk with Philmont staff alumni, Daniel Godwin. Daniel is currently the Director of Programs and Partnerships for The Ember Alliance out of Fort Collins, CO. Daniel has a PhD in fire ecology and extensive experience as a wildland firefighter. He is dedicated to continued implementation and management of safe and ecologically appropriate prescribed fire.
In this episode Daniel discusses wildland fire from a critical lens. He shares the controversial history of fire management, how fire severity is measured and its effects on landscape, what it's like to be in the burn fighting a fire, climate change and considerations for the future.
As an OATC participant in 2003, Daniel fell in love with the West. He has since dedicated his life and career to working and protecting this landscape. The change that fire brings is and can be destructive and scary. But it can also be a source of life. It can be a tool to help facilitate optimal health and natural beauty of the land.
To everyone dedicating countless hours to fight the Cooks Peak Fire and work to keep Philmont's resources thriving and impacting lives - thank you, and be safe out there.
Daniel's Philmont Experience:2003 - OATC Participant
2004 & 2005 - Ranger
Notable Mentions:Lee Hughes
Rick Smith
Fidgit - Bethany Hughes
Katie Nuessly
Ponil Complex Fire 2002
Whites Peak Fire 2013
Ute Park Fire 2018
Cooks Peak Fire 2022
Grassroots Wildland Firefighters
Tim Hart Wildland Firefighter Classification and Pay Parity Act
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
The Black Kite - aka the Australian Firehawk
Closing song: The Mountain by The Calico Stray
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It's commonly said that the people are what make a place special. In this episode, Dave reflects on how his interactions with fellow Philmont staff and participants, taught him that one could live a life outside of the traditional norm. Also, that we can do more than we realize with our bodies, our will, and our minds. All of which shifted his priorities in life, solidifying for him that time in nature and time with friends in a simple setting, is was what means the most.
Philmont Experience:2004 - Trek participant
2007 - Ranger
2008 - Environmental Educator / ROCS
2009 - PC Crater Lake
2010 - Cons A-Team/Dance Band Coordinator/Base Camp Carouser
The life of a Philmont staffer is lighthearted and fun for sure - but also opens doors for serious, deep conversations about the meaning of life. Especially while making and executing plans to hike to see a friend or a lover, with less than 12 hours to spare, yet you still go - hike to that camp, sleep on the roof under the stars, and talk for hours. There’s a fleeting limitlessness to those encounters.
Today Dave is an ultra-runner by day, performing musician by night. The Philmont backcountry campfire scene and his summer at Crater Lake taught him how to be a performer and influenced the music he would go on to write, produce, and play. We discuss the song-writing process and favorite tunes from his discography. Referring to the song titled “Ain’t Gonna be Easy” on his album State to State, Dave says:
“The wildness and energy of our youth doesn't go away, it just becomes more compartmentalized & controlled. This song is a love letter to friendship, celebrating what it is to have a friend who knows you, where you came from, and who can remind you of who you are.”
Check out Dave’s music on Bandcamp, Spotify, and his website. If you’ve registered for the first ever Philmont Trail Race happening this August, you will see him there!
Notable Mentions:Bryce Blankenship
Pete Weber
Rosy Gallegos
Piper Niehaus
Doug Palmer
Ranger Matt
Allison Vinson Defrees
Alex Pagnotta
Bob Frieman
Brian Grey
Tim Collver
Ellie Nickens
Iron John Logan
Mark Anderson
Alice Paulding Gabriel
Demitri "Mungo"
Andrew Garner
Gene Schnell
Barbara Garcia
Katie Nuessly
Jose Fernandez - Miami Marlins
Tim Borden
Austin St. George
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Cierra and I discuss aspects of the Philmont staff subculture including the Scout Oath and Law, and of course - Chaco's and socks, folk music and flannels, and Philmont tattoos. She praises Philmont for a profoundly professional and successful evacuation of seasonal staff from base to the Springer during the 2018 Ute Park Fire. During that time, she got to be a part of and witness "the coolest interdepartmental relationships bloom out of an otherwise wild and scary situation."
As the First ever female Camp Director of Clear Creek in 2021, Cierra shares her passion for always growing and analyzing her own leadership style, based on ever-changing circumstances of backcountry living. We also discuss her involvement in Venturing and her passion for educating people how to safely enjoy firearm sports.
This episode reminds one to always be sharpening your most important tool - your brain. And to celebrate the limitless opportunities that being a Philmont staff member offers throughout ones life.
Participant Experience:2016 - Trek with my Venture Crew
Staff Experience:2017 - Program Counselor Crooked Creek
2018 - (Hired) Program Counselor Dan Beard / Timber Stand Improvement
2019 - Ponil Shooting Sports Manager
2020 - (Hired) Program Counselor Miranda / Season cancelled - pandemic
2021 - Winter Forestry Equipment Crew
2021 - Camp Director Clear Creek - First Female in this position
2022 - Camp Director Head of Dean
Notable Mentions:Michael Stinnett
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Ashley spent five summers growing and learning as a PTC participant and five summers working in the Philmont backcountry. It was in 1998 at PTC that she learned of the newly-revamped Venturing Program and quickly joined a crew once she returned home. She was enthusiastic about the opportunity to be a part of this co-ed, youth-lead BSA leadership program.
Recalling her formative experiences on staff, Ashley shares her love for knitting, reading the Philnews in the backcountry by candlelight, manning the radio during SARs on Baldy, and forming her own tradition of hiking with butterscotch chips and baking sweets for fellow staff. At Fish and Rich, she enjoyed the opportunity to learn about and portray the lives of historic individuals. In 2006, descendants of the Rich family came to camp and had a meal with her and her staff. She was also part of an uncommon, all female staff at Fish Camp in the summer of 2005.
Today Ashley teaches astronomy and physics at the College of Charleston, and studies exploding stars. During our interview, she appropriately wore a Tooth of Time Traders t-shirt showcasing Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and Ursa mini - the infamous Philmont mini-bear. Ashley aspires to return to Philmont one day as a visiting astronomer at Ring Place.
Participant Experience1997: PTC - Los Jovenes
1998: PTC - Los Jovenes
1999 - Kanik with Venturing Crew
1999: PTC - Mountain Trek
2000: PTC - Mountain Trek
2000: Venturing Leadership Trek
2002: PTC Participant - Mountain Trek
Staff Experience2003: PC - Baldy Town
2004: PC - Rich Cabins
2005: CD - Fish Camp
2006: CD - Rich Cabins
2007: CD - French Henry
2009: Backcountry Interpretive training week assistant
2015: PTC youth STEM program Leader
Notable Mentions:Crystal Wilson
Cindy Link Thomas
Ranger Lizzy
Nick Mullins
Doug & Betty Palmer
Jackie Clark
Heather Harvie
Patty Davis
Cory Younts
Tennessee Boys
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Season 3 finale with Chris Sawyer. Chris shares an impactful interview, one of sacred dedication and professionalism for Philmont Scout Ranch. We discuss topics such as the Rayado program, fires and floods, the privilege it is to live in Cimarron, and much more. Chris specifically shares the incredible behind the scenes efforts that go into preparing the Itineraries and Philmont Treks Books. He praises what Waite Phillips called “the doing method,” which is the expectation that one will do the very best they can in their role.
Today Chris owns and operates Limmer Boot Company and his business partner owns and operates Peter Limmer & Sons, custom boots. For over 100 years, Limmer has been known for providing the highest quality, long-lasting hiking boots, with the only true single piece leather upper design. If you are in search for your last pair of hiking boots, Chris looks forward to sharing how Limmer is different, and how his pair of 18 year old Limmer Lightweights have been his most trusted companions, at Philmont and on adventures around the globe.
Participant
1995 - 12 Day Trek
1997 - Rayado
1998 - 28 Day Trail Crew
1999 - 12 Day Trek
Seasonal Staff
2002 - Ranger & Rayado Ranger
2003 - Ranger Trainer
2004 & 2005 - Rayado Trek Coordinator
2009 - Assistant Chief Ranger (ACR)
Full-time Employment
2011, 2012, & 2013: Unit 6 - Associate Director of Program - responsible for half of the Backcountry - Valle Vidal, Biking, Climbing, Challenge Course, Search and Rescue, Logging camps, & Hunting Lodge, Baldy Town, Ute Gulch, Itineraries and Philmont Treks Book, Autumn Adventure.
2014 - Unit 4 & 6 - Human Resources, Seasonal Personnel, Logistics, Base Camp Operations and Associate Director of Program.
2015 - Unit 4
Notable MentionsBurt Wingfield
Jimmy Shaheen
Eddie Miller
Kevin Wright
Judge Charles A. Panell
Chad Panell
President Clinton
Ashton Davis
Michael Percy
Natalie Hauge
Poem "If" by Rudyard Kippling
Matt Schofield
Rick Russell
Ramey Harrell
Nathan Yoder
Robert Drobnik
Waite Phillips
Kit Carson
John Fremont
Stephen Kearney
Chope Phillips
Mark Anderson
Nathan Tacha
Thurston Drake
William Panell
Mark Bratlie
Josh Gehman
Nick Sponaugle
Tom Hill
Emily Smith
Skye Schell
Taylor Frame
Jim Whitaker
Gene Schnell
Alex Ave Allemant
Quincey Nickens
Adam Herrenbruck
Paul Grasse
Dr. Toddy Steelman
Dr. Heidi Hobbs
David O'Neill
Slim Uribe Goertz
Brianna Howland
Rod Taylor
Tucker Baker
Mark Anderson
Sid Covington
Dwight Stein
Matt Hubbard
Chris Moon
Rob Reed
Spaceman
Chris Start
Dr. Toddi Steelman
Derek Shiney
Joey Fernandez
John and Randa Celley
Mike Crockett
Bryan Hayek
Larry Murphys Book
Waite Phillips
Beyond the Hills
Paul Salopek - Out of Eden Walk - National Geographic
Jon Sawyer
Nicholas Fahy
Steve Nelson
Phillip Ferrier
Austin St. George
Mike Sudemier
Cimarron Watershed Alliance
Gus Holm
Julia Stafford
Betty Pacheco
Francis Romero
Jo Duran
Barbara Garcia
Amanda Martinez
Joey Fernandez
Anthony Martinez
Jeremy Gruver
Bucko Cowden
Ryan Hawk
Karl Limmer
Peter Limmer
John Sawyko
Adam Lane-Olsen
Willi Unsoeld
Jon Krakauer
PJ Parmar
Rob Montgomery
Mark Bratlie
Sean McKnight
Doug Palmer
Brian Delaney
SeanCasey
Mutz Property
Kevin Stickleman
Mike Ritterhouse
Phil Graham
Cliff Gallet
Sarah Burgess
Emily Smith
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Cold Beer, NM "Where not much happens but you better be here when it does." Cold Beer, also known as Colfax Tavern & Diner is a community hub where Philmont staff and participants find comradery and conversation among the hills we call HOmE.
In 2016, Shelly and Danny Quartieri became the fourth owners of the infamous Cold Beer. Shelly discusses familial ties to Northern New Mexico, the story of how Colfax Tavern got named Cold Beer, and her love and respect for all the Philmont "kids" that have become like family to her. Cold Beer offers more than spirits and libations, they also host a variety of events including their annual Honky Tonk Hodgepodge, cornhole tournaments, and more.
Today Shelly and Danny live at their Vermajo River Ranch in Maxwell, NM where in 2008 they founded Riding On Faith, a Christian based bull riding camp. They are grateful and humbled to be "Parents away from home" to the many seasonal staff members who frequent their beloved bar. Cold Beer, NM "It's in the middle of no where, but has people from everywhere."
Notable Mentions:Roger Smith
Charlie Montoya - second owner of Cold Beer
Dorothy"Dot" Pompeo
Maya
Virginia
Pete Bergene
Mike Crockett
Sarah Burgess
Lela and Sean Murphy
Gay Ann
Tim Doherty
Jack and Mira
Ryan Bailey and Lindsey
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If you've been to Cimarron, but have yet to eat at the Burrito banquet, let me paint a picture for you: it's a place where no one goes hungry, there's music all-around, the best lemonade in the county, and a sweet three-legged dog named Tippy to greet you. The owner Kathleen - she's beautiful inside and out, dedicated to community, and she carries a wheel gun on her hip!
Kathleen Smiley purchased the famed Burrito Banquet in 2018. Running burrito banquet as a one woman show, Kathleen embraces the wild and untamed magic of Cimarron, NM. Her philosophy is much more than providing good food, she also gives back. From organizing a COVID parade last year, to hosting a "I love Cimarron Party" and a Rams day for the school, Burrito banquet is invested in it's community.
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Kicking off a 3-part, mini-series dedicated to local Cimarron establishments that are often frequented by Philmont Staff and participants. In this episode, I chat with Caitlin and Austin Warner, twin daughters of Melissa and Steven Warner. Today, the Warner family owns and operates Hikers Coffee Company and Hikers Cimarron Inn & RV Park - both located in the heart of Cimarron, NM.
From discussing the 2018 Ute Park fire and quirks of backcountry living in the Valle, the sisters praise Philmont staff for their impeccable ability to be flexible and adapt. They also acknowledge how as staff, we hold each other to the highest standards of awesomeness, where as a team everyone rises above and excels. Lastly, they share their adventures, faith-filled story of moving from Texas to New Mexico, where they remain a vicarious part of the Philmont seasonal experience via daily interactions with staff, participants, locals, and tourists.
Philmont Staff ExperienceCaitlin:
2014 - Trek participant
2015 - NAYLE participant
2016 - PC Baldy Town
2017 - PC Ring Place
2018 - Ute Gulch Trading Post Manager / TSI
2019 - CD Ring Place / Autumn PTC PC
2020 - CD Carson Meadows - summer cancelled due to pandemic
Austin:
2014 - Trek participant
2015 - NAYLE participant
2016 - PC Seally Canyon
2017 - PC Baldy Town
2018 - ACD Head of Dean / TSI
2020 - Infirmary nurse - summer cancelled due to pandemic
2021 - Infirmary nurse
Notable Mentions:Jo Duran
Grant Reigelman
Sean Murphy
Olivia Starch
Katie Krzyvon
Steven and Melissa Warner
Sue and Andy - pervious owners of the Cimarron Inn
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Bonus episode! Join Caitlin, Dylan, and Jimmy as they discuss the recording process of No Time For Caution, by The Calico Stray. We genuinely hope you're enjoying the tunes, and thank you for your support!
Check out Jesse Rundle on Soundbetter for mixing and mastering needs! We highly recommend him and appreciate all his help on this album.
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Ficke Sisters - Caroline, Caitlin, Carly, and Claire - share their individual Philmont stories and release their debut album of Philmont inspired tunes. To listen and purchase a digital copy of the album, click here! For fun photos and videos of behind the scenes from the recording weekend, follow The Calico Stray on instragram. All proceeds go to the podcast. Cheers friends!
Notable MentionsMichelle
Jamie
Caroline Davis
Nathan Ford
Lucy Baker Minchow
Typer Minchow
Ted
Austin
Anna
Alex
Kreable
Devyn
Tim Collver
Kayla Steffens
Hattie Ficke Kingsley
Linda and John Ficke
Larry McLaughlin
Peter Bingen
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Coming to you with a special interview with Jeremy Spivey. Rather than follow the traditional format, Jeremy wanted to pay tribute to the individuals and the department that forged him into the person he is today - the Philmont Ranch Department.
In this episode he shares an introduction to Ranch Department history beginning in the late 1950s into the early 2000s. Jeremy discusses the "hierarchy of necessity" due to the dangerous nature of being a wrangler, developing strong work ethic and knowing ones role, as well as the origins of Cavalcade, introduction of women in the department, and traditions such as the Maverick Club Rodeo, Wrangler Roping, and more.
The Philmont Ranch Department, also referred to as, “Cowboy college” is where one learns responsibility, reliability, horsemanship, and "try."Philmont Experience1991 - Trek participant
1993 - CHQ Dining Hall
1994 - Wrangler
1995 - Wrangler
1996 - Wrangler
1997 - North Cavalcade Horseman
1998 - North Cavalcade Horseman
Notable Mentions:Dr. Reggie Jayne
Dr. Aaron RichmondBob Rickleffs
Jim KeithSpencer Seim
Hunter Seim
Rod Taylor
David Keller
Matt Keller
Chuck Enloe
Bob Knox - Growing Up to Cowboy
Lawrence "Boss" Sanchez
The Belle Ranch
Eddie Sachez
WS Ranch
Richard Monger
Leo Martinez Sr.
Leo Martinez Jr.
Larry Mesaric
Ben Vargas
Maverick Club Rodeo
Dr. Justin Green
The Garcia Family
Shawn and Austin Vargas
Rod Taylor
Brian Hobrock
Chuck EnloeLori Idoski Repovich
Tara Alger Hardy
Jennifer Donnelly
Dorothy Van Ark
Dr. John Alexander
Calvin Cowan
Rusty Lowe
Dave Kenneke
Jake Anderson
Stacy Green
Silver Spur Ranches
John Malone
Chope Phillips
Hank Weiscamp
Butch Whitten
Marylin Vargas
Tanner Shaw
Jessica Seifert
Craig Dunlap
Brian Rada
Tim Stevens
Tanya and Colby Cargo
Lt. Col. Sean Connelly
Mike McCampbell
Josh Green
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Dave Plumb, came back on staff for "one more summer." He had sworn off romantic relationships, when at a Tobasco Donkeys concert, he unexpectedly met the women he'd later marry and grow a family with (Meg Graham Plumb). Prior to working on staff, Dave attended PSA treks with his father. On these treks, he witnessed the deep connections between current and past staff, which is what made him fall in love with Philmont Scout Ranch. Dave discusses the culture of logistics, the Philmont staff connection to the Red River Ski area, and how he continues to use teachable moments to this day as a school teacher in Colorado.
Philmont Experience:1996 - PTC Participant
1997 - Trek
1999, 2001, 2015, 2021 - PSA Trek
Seasonal Staff
2003 - Logistics Trip Planner
2008 - Logistics Asst Mgr / Autumn Guide
2009 - CD Ring Place
2011 - Logistics Communications Mgr / Autumn Co-Coordinator
2012 - Logistics Communications Mgr
Notable Mentions:Doug Palmer
Brad Plumb
John Nagib
Sid Covington
Eli Page-Goertz
Nick Mullens
Stephen August Hirsch Jr from the Great State of Arizona
Kathy Stanish Mead
Meg Graham Plumb
Dom Alisindrini
Tim Collver
Desi Atwater
Sarah Burgess
Matt Murray
Allison Vinson Defrees
Ellie Nickens Turner
Tobasco Donkeys
Mike Ritterhouse
Tim Bordon
Cassandra Rokita Robinson
Ross Robison
Ingria Jones
Jeff Ostandorff
Coralie Graham
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Tennessee native, Julie Smith Vigil, first experienced Philmont as a reluctant, 13-year-old mountain trek participant. Afterward she told her parents she was going to move to New Mexico as soon as she could. Julie did just that, and she never left.
Among the many jobs that Julie worked at Philmont, PTC Group Leader was one of her favorites, as well as holding claim to being the first female CD at French Henry. Today, she is a school teacher in Cimarron, and continues to work at Philmont in the summer time.
Julie shares her experiences of being met with with disapproval as a female at Philmont in the1980's - and how she had to work extra, and twice as hard to prove herself. She was repeatedly asked by management to step into different departments and new roles, always saying yes - embracing the scary but exciting challenge. Julie finishes off the interview with some fun ghost stories from her time at Baldy and French.
Philmont Experience1981 and 1983 - Mountain Trek
1985 - Trading Post
1986 & 1988 - PTC Group Leader
1989 - Asst Program Mgr
1990 & 1991 - Assoc Director Conservation
1992 - PTC Services Mgr
1993 - PTC Seasonal Registrar
Fall 1993 - PTC Office
1994 - CD Santa Claus
1995 - CD Clark's Fork
1996 - CD Miners
1997 - Logistics Mgr
1998 - CD Cito
1999 - CD Baldy
2000 - CD French
2001 & 2002 - BCM
2003 & 2004 - Logistics Asst Mgr
2005 - BCM
2006 - Logistics Communications Mgr
2007 - 2010- Asst BCW Mgr
2011 & 2012 - Mailroom
2013 - Asst BCW Mgr
2014 - BCW Mgr
2015 - Mailroom
2016 - Mailroom Mgr
2017 - took off a summer
2018 & 2019 & 2021 - Special Projects Coordinator
Notable MentionsChris McCarthy Standard
Mitch Standard
Doug Palmer
Georgia - PC at French
Amy Long - First BCM
Dwight
Johnny Ulibarri
Gene Schnell
Rachel Ricklefs
Linda Anderson
Steve Nelson
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Savren Nelson is that person who's not afraid to try something new and even take it to the next level of entrepreneurship. Savren is a warm, intelligent, and talented individual who currently works in public health while at the same time, runs her jewelry business, S Designs. She discusses her time at Philmont, highlighting the COPE programs, positive examples of backcountry leadership, and the dynamic challenges of being on seasonal staff during the Ute Park fire of 2018.
Philmont Experience2015 - PC Carson Meadows
2016 - PC Dan Beard
2017 - ACD (Assistant Camp Director) Head of Dean
2018 - CD Sawmill - Season cancelled due to Ute Park Fire
2019 - CD Dan Beard
2020 BCM - Season cancelled due to pandemic
Notable Mentions:Claire Ficke
Rhiannon NelsonLela Puckett Murphy "LP"
Grant Reigleman
Tyler DuBard
Sean Murphy
Pete Scifres
Alex Handel
Maddy Brown
Bucko Cowden
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Silver On the Sage is celebrating one year of successful podcasting today! Dylan McDermott, singer-songwriter of the podcast song "Confluence" joins me to reflect and recollect. We share fun trivia, podcast stats, and memories. Today Dylan earns a living, loving what he does as a music teacher, local performer, and luthier.
I raise my glass to everyone who has interviewed, donated, suggested content, and supported the show through and through. Let's keeping hiking!
Philmont Experience2012 - PC Beaubien
2013 - PC Crater / PC Pueblano
Notable Mentions:Carly Ficke McDermott - Jive Bookkeeping
Larry McLaughlin - Philmont Documentary
Tim Collver
Tim Borden
Jimmy Lowe
Rachel Hadaway
Dan Edwards
Chris Sawyer
Phil Lewis
Karl Hubbard
Romero Banjos
Gallup Guitar School
Caroline Ficke Johnson
Claire Ficke
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Although 8 years apart, Mandy Glenn-Clay and Tracy Glenn-Applegate, experienced Scouting and Philmont together, and the impact it had on their lives resonates still today. The Glenn sisters share their Philmont origin stories and discuss various encounters with wildlife, the challenges of being female in Scouting in the 80's, and their appreciation for teachable moments and learning how to effectively communicate within a team setting. Like may of us, they praise the Philmont staff community for its ability to support one another and maintain life-long friendships.
Philmont Experience Tracy:1981 - 1984, 1992 - Trek participant
1985 - CHQ Food Service
1986 & 1987 - Ranger
1988 - Solo Conservationist at Lover's Leap Camp
1989 - Conservationist at Indian Writings (building trail from 6 mile to IW).
1990 - Associate Director of Conservation with Julie Smith Vigil
Philmont Experience Mandy:1989, 1990, 1992 -Trek Participant 1993 - CHQ Food Service
1994 - Conservationist at Santa Claus Camp
1999 - PC Crooked Creek
Notable Mentions (please contact me to correct any spelling errors!)Lori and Bill Waugh
Grizz Deal
Cliff Waetje
Mariah Hughes
Hunter Schappaugh
Peter Trebold
Julie Vigil
Lee Hughes "Fluffy"
James Batner
Kevin Silard
Kirt Wolff "Lambo"
Mark Anderson
*Correction: Mariah Hughes was also part of the Conservation department in 1988. She was an EPC at Cito.
*For more information regarding the USAFA Cadet that Tracy mentions in this episode:
https://www.philstaff.org/service-academy-ranger-history/
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Beginning in 1950, the facilities surrounding the Villa Philmonte were built, and it became the National Training Center of the Boy Scouts of America - known today as the Philmont Training Center or PTC.
Today, Andrea Watson joins the show as an authority on the Philmont Training Center. She first arrived at Philmont in 1986 as a 7 year old, on a trip to PTC with her family.
Andrea describes PTC as a subset of the larger Philmont culture, where a melting pot of dynamic positions and departments unite to make the magic happen. After working seasonally at PTC, Andrea became a District Executive for the BSA with the goal of some day returning as the PTC Associate Director of Program. Andrea achieved her goal much quicker than anticipated and in 2011 was offered, and accepted the position.
Today, Andrea continues to work for the BSA as the Director of Outdoor Programs and Properties. She shares a brief update on new initiatives for PTC programs as the BSA continues to evolve. These include, goals towards reaching more diverse families as well as families without a legacy or tradition of engaging in the outdoors.
Lastly, Andrea shares stories and love for the Philmont full-time community and the incredible hard work and sacrifice that they do, to enable Philmont to succeed year after year. She challenges us all to recognize the importance of getting families outdoors - whether that be your immediate family, work family, or a family of friends.
Philmont ExperienceParticipant’86, ’87, ’92: PTC Program
’95, ’96, ’97: Trek
Seasonal Staff
2000-2001: PTC Group Leader
2002: PTC Silverados Coordinator
2003: PTC Asst Program Director
2004: PTC Program Director
2002-2004: Fall/Winter Seasonal Staff at PTC
Full-Time Staff
2011-2015: Associate Director of Program – PTC
Notable Mentions:Mark and Linda Anderson
Diane and John Clark
Shelley O'Neill
Amy Ray Hall
Coralie Graham
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From having little experience traveling, to the 3rd day on trek being on the Baldy Saddle, Mariah Hughes had a revelation, and her life was changed for the better. She returned home and was unrecognizable to her friends. Mariah went on to work seasonally at Philmont Scout Ranch for 9 summers. During her time as a ranger, she lived for hike-in days and the freeing confidence that a map and compass gave her. Mariah speaks about the fatal lighting strike in 1988, of her role as CD reopening two backcountry camps that had previously been closed (Dan Beard and Crooked Creek), and she shares a mysterious tale or two. Mariah holds the title of the first and only female Director of Conservation, which was a role that Doug Palmer encouraged her to undertake - and quote, “one of the best decisions she made while working at Philmont.” Today Mariah is the Director of Operations at Snow Mountain Ranch, YMCA of the Rockies and an avid world traveler.
Philmont Experience:1978 & 1980 - Trek participant
1983 - Health Lodge receptionist
1984 - Ranger
1985 - Ranger
1987 - Ranger
1988 - Conservation Environmental PC at Cito
1989 - CD Dan Beard
1990 - CD Crooked Creek
1991 - Associate Director of Conservation
1992 - Director of Conservation. First and only female to hold this title to date.
Notable Mentions:
Kathy Stanish Mead
Harper Davison
Cryse Canty
Jodi Hitchcock
Suzanne Sumank
Rose Kazuba
Forky Rudin
Cindy Werhane
Lee Hughes
Doug Palmer
Rod Taylor
Dawn Chandler
Kathy Leech
Jane Munch
Mary Stuever
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For Pete Bergene, working on the Philmont Cabin Restoration team benefited him in such a way that he could not come up with aspects of his current professional life that weren’t directly traced back to it. In this episode, Pete shares a brief history of cabin restoration and how it’s been managed by many different departments at the ranch. He shares a rich and descriptive overview of three large projects he was a part of, including - Cypher’s Mine stomp cabin, Valle Vidal Clayton Cabin, and the Fish Camp caretakers quarters. He also walks us through the basic cabin restoration process. Pete credits camp directors, outside contractors, and National Forest archeologists as being part of the bigger picture of the cabin restoration team experience. Lastly, Pete was asked to write the proposal for, and hold the role of the first ever, full-time cabin restoration position at the ranch.
Philmont Experience:2007 & 2009 - Trek Participant
2014 - Cabin Restoration
2015- 2017 - Cabin Restoration Foreman
( Second Season: Kit Carson Museum staff, Autumn Adventure guide, Forestry Crew)
2018-2021 - Cabin Restoration Maintenance Technician / Carpentry, Full-Time
Notable Mentions:David O'Neill
Mark Anderson
Anthony Martinez
Kyle Sawyer
Kelly Mazzanobile
Wayne Rutherverd
Carrie Leven
Heath Bailey
Kevin Doweling
Dave Werhane
Zach Seeger
Anna Washburne
Lela Puckett Murphy
Episode photograph is courtesy of Justin Kernes
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From the day that 16-year-old, Spencer Seim was given an opportunity to lead his crew at Philmont, he gained a newfound confidence - one that he would carry with him for years. If given the opportunity to lead, one can excel. Spencer returned as a Rayado participant, which he says was “training for the rest of his life.” Working as a Camp Director, Spencer praises the trust, responsibility, and freedom that Philmont handed him as a young adult. He found a love for blacksmithing in the backcountry, which he still does today as a professional fly-fishing guide - forging hooks, tying classic flies, and guiding in and around Taos, NM.
From the simple joys of being soaked in a rain storm while hiking the middle fork, to ghost stories and more - Spencer lives an intentional life, built upon what he experienced at Philmont - character building, preparedness practice, and how to stay inventive.
Philmont Experience1991 Philmont trek participant
1992 Rayado trek participant
1993 Dining Hall
1994 PC Cypher's Mine
1995 PC Black Mountain
1996 PC Miranda
1997 CD Miranda
1998 CD Pueblano
1999 CD Black Mountain
Notable Mentions:
Hunter Seim
Jeremy Spivey
Rod Taylor
Lisa Sutton
Sharon Walsh-Seim
Larry McLaughlin
Andy Gerhart
Chris Knoll
Sophia Seim
Doug Palmer
Jim Lovell - American Astronaut
Rob Hayduke
Michael Kendrick
Eric Locklier
Ron Power
Brent Huntington
(Spellings may be incorrect - please contact me to make corrections)
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Olivia Starich shares energetic insights from working in several different departments at the Ranch. As a ranger she was impressed by the full-circle, lasting impact of participants who later returned to work on seasonal staff. Working in the Infirmary was the kindling that helped fuel her current path as a student in medical school. As a BCM, she acknowledges the effort and energy it takes from Philmont seasonal and full-time management to make the magic happen. In that regard, for many Philmont staff, working hours are "can till can't."
Olivia worked at the ranch this past summer, 2021 - and she shares that there was a ranch-wide vibe of happy anxiety, as everyone was thrilled to be there and to welcome a lot of new faces after 2020 when the ranch was not in session due to the pandemic.
Lastly, Olivia is also an avid descriptive writer, using the five senses to convey what she, and many of us, experience at Philmont.
Philmont Experience2003, 2004, 2005 - PTC Participant (Mustangs, 11-13 y/o girls)
2007 - Mountain Trek
2009 - Rayado
2013 - Ranger
2014 - Mountain Trek Ranger
2015 - PC Head of Dean
2016 - CD Whiteman Vega
2017 - Infirmary Medical Services Staff/Driver
2018 - Infirmary Medical Services Staff/Driver
2019 - Backcountry Manager; Autumn Infirmary Staff
2020* - Associate Chief of Medical Services; joined PSA Scholarship Committee
2021 - Infirmary Volunteer; PSA Scholarship Committee
Notable Mentions:Dawn Sally
Christine Salisbury
Eric Martinez
Chris Sawyer
Lela Puckett Murphy
Sam Schoevaars
Grant Reigleman
Nate Lay
Bridgett Hogan
Heidi Johnson
Caroline Davis
Sean Murphy
Mark Anderson
Stasha Beermann
Keith Nelson
Kyle Knoll
Pete Bergene
Yvonne Skrzypczak
Tim Bower
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With tremendous spirit and rowdy Louisiana accent - Tucker Baker joins the show. Tucker praises the Philmont staff experience for its “can-do” attitude, taking on other duties as assigned and of course the comradery and close-knit friendships which together form the “Philmont collective consciousness.” Tucker shares his “Who Dat” story - a somewhat lengthy but worthwhile recounting of the Search and Rescue that occurred on Big Red in 2013.
Alongside these stories, Tucker shares his latest project as a co-author of a historical book titled Pride and Glory: The Cimarron and Northwestern Railway Company. This book is a piece of the whole microcosm of North Eastern New Mexican history.
Philmont Experience
2008, 2010 - Trek participant
2012 - PC Miranda
2013 - PC Clear Creek
2014 - PC Metcalf Station
2015 - CD Metcalf Station
2019 - PC Abreu / PC Cyphers Mine
Notable Mentions:
Troop 6 Alexandria, Louisiana
Henry Lessen
Father Adam Travis
Chris Naydene
JJ Stevens
Rock Rohrbacher
Toph Schaller
Paul Marsh
David O'Neill
Tyler, Trey, and Trevor Dubard
Carson Mcrae
Lottice Taylor
Slim Uribe
Jimmy Lowe
Evan Combs
Kyle Soyer
Sid Covington
Patrick Kelly - photographer
Danika Foster
Kyle Arrobaugh
Nate Lay
Toph White
Mark Anderson
Mazerouski
Pete Bergene
Paul Marsh
Linda Anderson
Trevor Lombardi
Matthew Houser
Big Bob Man - Old camp rail road program in the 60s
Lawrence Murphy
Thomas (Theodore) Schomburg
Tooth of Time's been chewin on me
Kit Carson
Lucian Maxwell
Charlie Cyphers
Andy Gerhart
Guy Palms
Sid Covington
John Van Dreese
Gene Lamb
Roger Sanchez
Henry Frankenberg
Steve Lewis - Eagle Trail Press
Steve Zimmer
Harriet Fryberger
Dawn Chandler
Justin Kernes
Philmont Staff Association
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To kick off the 2021 Holiday Season, podcast listeners are invited to send in shout out dedications to their Philmont friends. Recorded in their own voices, spreading love across the airwaves!
“The mere fact that another had walked where I was walking made the path easier for my feet.” - D.E. Stevenson
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From Mt. Baldy to Mt. Kilimanjaro - Rachel Tindall, current surgeon and former Philmont Ranger and Infirmary Medic joins the show. As a young Mountain Trek participant, and later a Mountain Trek Ranger - Rachel discusses the life-changing impact that the program had on her. As a seasonal driver and Medic at the Philmont Infirmary, she was able to practice and embrace a life-long mentality of a student - "the learning is never done." She shares insights from her journey of becoming a surgeon, and how she utilizes the Philmont "teachable moments" practice with her residents to this day. In June of 2021 Rachel summited Mt. Kilimanjaro at 19,341 feet, wearing her trusty Philmont gear and trekking poles in had.
Philmont Experience
2004 - Ranger
2005, 06, 07 - Mountain Trek Ranger
2008 - Health Lodge Support / Driver
2010 - Health Lodge Support / Chief Medic
Intermission Highlight: S Designs - Handmade jewelry by Philmont alumni, Savren Nelson
Notable Mentions
Nate Lay
Dwight in Logistics
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With a resounding Alabama, "Come on!," Ali Meeks joins the show to discuss her time on staff in the 90's. Ali worked at the Philmont Training Center, Conservation Department, and in the Backcountry. Ali voices her appreciation for the "work hard, play hard" attitude of Conservation, and how it impacted the young women she lead on on Trail Crew Trek, helping instill independence and perseverance in them all. Today Ali is an accomplished three time Ironman/Ironwoman triathlete, an entrepreneur, and alongside her husband, a visionary behind Promise Land Ranch- a future horse camp for at risk and special needs youth. She as deep faith in God and a love for the Philmont community.
Conquer your Fear of the Triathlon Swim- By Ali Meeks and M. Ellen Dash
Ready Set Sweat - Endurance Coaching and Swim Lessons
REI Adventures: Ali the Ironwoman produced by Philmont alumni Larry McLaughlin.
Philmont Experience
1993 - PTC Tent City Manager
1994 - Conservation work crew
1995 - Conservation Trail Crew Trek Forman
1996 - Conservation Trail Crew Trek Forman
1998 - CD Indian Writings
Notable MentionsForest McVicker
Amy Rushall
Josh Houdek
Anna Lundstine Tuohy
Michelle Debuhr
Jenny Rawson DeVenegas
James Bakner
Kevin Silard
Curt Wolff
Michael Booker
Marty Tschetter
Doug Palmer
Keith Hilsabeck
"The Kevins"
Tricia Dailey Seifert
Larry McLaughlin
John Seim and Minda Pengelly
Dara Houdek Johnson and Jeremy Johnson
David Betka
Karl Sparks
Tobasco Donkeys
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November 1st and 2nd, celebrates Day of the Dead, or Día de los Muertos. Day of the Dead is a traditional Mexican holiday - when it is believed that the souls of the dead return to visit their living family members.
To honor this holiday, we will wrap up our mini-series on Philmont Ghost stories with Graham Nelson. Graham has been able to see ghosts since he was a child. All the same, he still gets goosebumps while recounting his Philmont ghost encounters. Today he shares two stories - the first occurred at Miranda and the second at French Henry. Graham also shares his personal story, how he grew up at Philmont as a kid, tagging along each summer with his parents volunteering at the Infirmary. From backcountry prank wars to nostalgia for community and close summer friendships - this episode is both mysterious and reflection.
Philmont Experience
2008 - PC Miranda
2009 - PC Crooked Creek
2010 - PC French Henry
Notable Mentions:
Bill Forster
Jeff Shortridge "Smithy"
Evan Withrow
Mike Rittenhouse
Mark Anderson
Paul Grasse
Gene Schnell
Ross Robinson
Mike Richards
Kentucky
Ryan Gustafson
Rebecca "Boots" Uribe-Senter
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Stephen Albach
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Trevor Lombardi joins the show to share is passion for one of the newer backcountry camps at Philmont Scout Ranch - Metcalf Station. Trevor shares some quick history of the North Ponil Canyon as well as the Railroad industry of that area. In fact, he is a co-author of the soon to be released book, titled: Pride and Glory, the Cimarron & Northwestern Railway Company. This episode is a great mix of history and hair-raising, some might say horrifying tales. From an unexplained white mass moving alongside the canyon wall and footsteps circling staff tents, to the discovery perhaps even a human bone - Metcalf station has much to uncover regarding history and horror.
Philmont Experience
2009 - Trek participant
2013 - PC Clark's Fork
2014 - PC Hunting Lodge
2015 - 2017 - PC Metcalf Station
2018 - 2019 - CD Metcalf Station
Fall 2019 - Backcountry Warehouse Inventory
Notable Mentions
Tim Rosseisen
David O'Neill
Zachary Garmoe
Grayson Wolf
Mike O'dwyer
Liam Black
Ben Cockfield
Patrick Navin
Scheen Carole
Jimmy Fritze
Tim Frisco
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Andy Gerhart has been collecting Philmont ghost stories for years, including his own encounters. Andy shares two of these stories today - the first happened in 1994 at Cypher's Mine, and the second in 1992 at Crater Lake. Lantern tricks, misplaced items, shadowy figures, and voices in the mine. The rich Philmont history and Southwestern environment, paired with the power of the mind and imagination - kicks off our 2021 October tales mini-series.
Philmont Experience
1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 – Trek participant
1991 – CHQ Maintenance
1992 – PC Crater Lake
1993 – PC Black Mountain
1994 – PC Cypher’s Mine
1995 – CD Black Mountain
1996 – CD Crater Lake
1999 – Volunteer Backcountry Manager (Unit 46, informally)
1999 – Autumn Adventure Trek
1999 – Tobasco Donkeys recording “Sawin’ on the Strings”
2006 – PSA Trek
2007, 2008 – Tobasco Donkeys recording “Yarn Sessions” and Philmont concert
2019, 2021 – Participant on trek
Notable Mentions:Keith
Scott
Larry McLaughlin
Spencer
Ron
Brent
Karl Dawes
Eric Voss
Daryl
Larry Murphy
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Dirty Larry and Sassy Caitlin continue their conversation, this time covering Larry's Philmont story. Larry shares his experience as a Rayado participant, ghost stories, being the music chairman in the dining hall, and more. He also shares behind the scenes stories about the evolution of the Tobasco Donkeys and the making of the Philmont Documentary. Like many of us, Larry's Philmont experience positively impacted his life, and led him to where he is today - video content producer, director, Phil-famous media king, and super nice guy. Stay tuned for further collaborations with Larry and Caitlin to share the podcast love. What backcountry camp should we record from next?
Philmont Experience
92 - CHQ Dining Hall
93 - PC Cyphers Mine
94 - PC Black Mountain
95- PC Black Mountain
96 - CD Black Mountain
97 - CD Cyphers Mine (Trail Rock Opera)
98 - CD Black Mountain
99 - Backcountry Manager Unit 43
99 - Spring Break recorded Tobasco Donkeys, ’Sawin On Strings’
07 - Recorded Tobasco Donkeys, ‘Yarn Sessions’
2008-10: Philmont Documentary
Notable Mentions:
Lee Hughes "Fluffy"
Doug Palmer
Andy Gerhart
Jannette McLaughlin
Abby Helton
Anna Barker
Gene Schnell
GS Harper
Eric Voss
Peter Bingen
Ellie Nickens Turner
Chope and Virginia Phillips
Sid Covington
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This week the tables are turned as Caitlin Lowe, host and producer of Silver On the Sage Podcast, is interviewed by former staffer, Larry McLaughlin (Producer of the Philmont Documentary and Tobasco Donkeys member). In this episode Larry and Caitlin discuss all things podcasting and Philmont, including phil-music and phil-flings. Caitlin grew up listening to her dad's stories of his time on staff in the late 1970's. In 2007, Caitlin followed in his footsteps and would continue to work seasonally at Philmont for the next seven summers. Join us for this special episode, recorded at the Crater Lake campfire bowl at Philmont Scout Ranch!
A very special thank you to Nate Lay, Larry McLaughlin, Andy Gerhart, and Jimmy Lowe for making this special episode possible!
Philmont Experience:
2007 - PC Beaubien
2008 - PC Crooked Creek
2009 - Photographer, News and Photo
2010 - CD Fish Camp
2011 - CD Abreu, Autumn Adventure Guide, Winter Adventure Guide
2012 - CD Beaubien
2013 - Backcountry Manager
Notable mentions:
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Tim Collver
Lee Hughes
Robin Knoll Newton
The Ficke Family
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Bethany 'Fidgit' Hughes joins the show to discuss how her experiences as a Ranger at Philmont Scout Ranch led to a life of professional through-hiking. From November 2015 to today, Fidgit and Neon (Lauren Reed) have been hiking the length of the Americas via non-motorized means; a 20,000 mile trek. Their journey is titled: Her Odyssey - "we walk, we talk, we connect." The heart of their journey is connection. They serve those they meet with engagement and honor, then work to convey their perspectives to a worldwide network of supporters and followers. You can follow along on social media or via their website to learn more about the hike, the empowering stories of human connection, and to support their mission.
Philmont Experience
2004-2007 - Ranger
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As a youth, Jessica Seifert was eager to join BSA Venturing and her Philmont story began as a family affair, pioneered by her father, who is also a Philmont alumni (1976). As a seasonal wrangler, Jess enjoyed participating in both ranch and backcountry activities, broadening her understanding of program and her circle of friends. Today Jess works full-time for the Ranch Department. She talks about the solitude and "God" moments of living and working on horseback, alongside the sacrifice and long-days dedicated to the livelihood of livestock. Jessica is the first full-time female employee of the Ranch Department at Philmont Scout Ranch.
Participant
2006 and 2008 treks
Seasonal Staff
2011 - Wrangler
2012 - Wrangler
2014 - Wrangler (summer and fall)
*Correction to the recorded intro:
Jessica and her husband Curtis moved to Cimarron in August, 2017.
Jessica began her full-time career with the Philmont Ranch Department in 2019.
Notable Mentions:
Katharina Stoll
Parker Zimmer
Bob Rickliffs
Christine Orrs
Dom Alesandrini
Ian Bagley (Bags)
Tim Collver
Bev Hargrove
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Ben Vargas
Jive Bookkeeping - Virtual bookkeeping for small businesses. Philmont-alumni, Carly McDermott is eager to connect.
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In 1972 Kathy Leach and Nancy Wells became the first two female Rangers on staff at Philmont Scout Ranch. Kathy shares her reflections of the experience, how it was both a moment of apprehensive change for Philmont and the Boy Scouts of America as well as positive empowerment for her. Kathy also co-led the first Kit Carson Women's trek - today known as Rayado Women - in August of 1973. Kathy gives heartfelt credit the many women and men alongside her, helping to shape Philmont into a human experience, welcome to all.
Philmont Years:
1972 - Ranger
1973 - Ranger
Philmont Staff Association Women Ranger History
Notable Mentions:
Joe Davis
Nancy Wells
Rusty Wells
Diana Loomis
Paul Mathern
Cassler
Margie Rockenfield
Carol Munch
Jane Munch
Pat Black
Jan Nelson
Alden Barber
John Clearhought
Chope Phillips
Alec Fryerson
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Little did she know, when Karyl Yeston's mom filled out an application for her daughter to work at Philmont Scout Ranch, that she would end up being the first female manager of the Trading Post - today known as the Tooth of Time Traders. In this episode we chat about generational differences and the humble pioneering that Karyl was a part of for women at Philmont. Karyl credits the leadership skills she gained while working in a management role at the Trading Post, to her successful career as a Park Ranger for the National Park Service.
Philmont Years:
1984-1990
Trading Post Clerk
Trading Post Assistant Manager/Supervisor
Trading Post Manager
Notable Mentions:
Craig Painter
Susan Hamlet
Dawn Chandler
Todd Conklin
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Dawn Chandler - Philmont's first ever female Camp Director and first Executive Director of the Philmont Staff Association, joins the show. With humble reflection and the passionate heart of a true creator, Dawn credits her rich Philmont experiences to family, peers, and her art. From the rewarding struggles of a Rayado participant to the successes of a full-time artist, Dawn is relatable, wise, and unguarded.
dawnchandler.com and/or taosdawn.com
Click on the "shop" link on the website to find Dawn's Etsy store: etsy.com/shop/dawnchandlerstudio
PHILMONT YEARS
1980, 1981 - Trek Participant
1982 - Rayado Participant
1983, 1984 - Ranger
1985, 1987 - Training Ranger/Ranger Trainer
1988, 1989 - CD Abreu
1997 - 2002 - Executive Director, PSA
The chosen photos:
— Douglas Fasching took the one of me painting the Tooth. It was just a few weeks after the worst of the 2018 Ute Park fire... I wanted to be there and create a painting that I could auction off to raise money for the Fire Fund.
— The other photo captures my expression during the last few minutes of the eBay auction of said painting. Between the auction and the sale of my limited edition prints, Philmont art lovers and I raised over $8000 for the Fire Fund. Incidentally, prints are still available, with proceeds still going to the Fire Fund: etsy.com/listing/625976292/a-philmont-morning-is-the-best-kind-of
Notable mentions:
The Hitzel Family
Peter Crook
Dean Tooley
Mariah Hughes
Kate Griffin
Anne Kadayna
Rabbi Arnie Sleutelberg
Ned Gold
Bill Spice
Mark Stinnett
Warren Smith
Julie Smith
Karyl Sears
Jackie McDonald
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Kicking off our first ever mini-series, Women of Philmont, Katrina Moon joins the show! Katrina was the first female Ranger from the Naval Academy to work at Philmont. Although she was only there for a short time, Katrina praises Philmont for it's leadership style and ability to challenge participants and staff to grow in unfamiliar and uncomfortable situations. Today Katrina lives in North Pole, Alaska with her husband (also a Philmont alumni, Academy Ranger) and their four children, embracing adventure and remaining as tourists in their own home!
Philmont Experience:
June and July of 2008 - Academy Ranger
Notable Mentions:
Collin Crest
Christy Wise
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A man of many names and many incredible stories - Karl J.P. Smith, Karl Sparks, Doctor Sparks - joins the show! Karl draws a direct connection between his storytelling days at Philmont campfires to what he does today - working as a traveling professional storyteller. From accidental and somewhat haphazard vison quests and backcountry musical performances, to moments of humble reflection and growth, Karl's heart and love for Philmont is evident and contagious.
Philmont Experience:Trek 2004
Rayado 2005
Dining Hall 2007
PC Urraca Mesa 2008
PC Pueblano 2009
PC Crater Lake 2011
Notable Mentions:John Ramsey
Clark Chapman
Pueblano Staff 2009
Dom Alesandrini
Stuart Babcock
Lucky at Pueblano 2012
Tim Collver
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At 10,000+ downloads and 30 episodes - this is a quick celebratory episode with some fun stats and facts about how the podcast as grown, info about what's to come, and how you can support the podcast! A big thank you to the listeners and interviewees for making the podcast possible.
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“The only things we keep permanently are those we give away.” -Waite Phillips
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As a previous seasonal and full-time Maintenance employee, Bryan Spink discusses the learning and teaching aspects of the Camping Headquarters Maintenance Department at Philmont Scout Ranch. Bryan also shares his love for the spirit of Philmont friendships and stories of the "good old days." Thanks Bryan!
Philmont Experience:
- 2011- Camping Headquarters (CHQ) Maintenance
- 2011 Fall- CHQ Maintenance
- 2012 Spring- CHQ Maintenance
- 2012 Summer- CHQ Maintenance Foreman
- 2012-2014- Associate Electrician
Notable Mentions:Ben and Mike Lonergan
Wayne Baker
Ross Robinson
Ben Herman
Rick Archuleta
Mike George
Gary Richards
Paul Bearenson
Tristan Wagner
Sean Murphy
Jimmy Fritz
Austin St. George
Jimmy Lowe
Josh Standard
Evan Lawrence
Nathan Tritt
Coralie Graham
Jeff Ostandorff
Wiggs Martinez
Lee Bass
Mark Anderson
Steve Nelson
Bryan Hutsler
Mike Crockett
Marylin Vargas
Graham Nelson
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Amy Carlisle
Karl & Matt Hubbard
(Some names may be misspelled due to oral nature of the podcast)
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From an enthusiastic to-be assigned seasonal staff hire to a full-time employee at Philmont Scout Ranch, Eric Martinez joins the show to share stories and insights. Eric was a co-creator and active facilitator of the PASS (Philmont Advisor Skills School) and PAW (Philmont Advisor Workshop) programs, and also played an integral role in improving the Ranger hiring process and enhancing the Winter Adventure program at Philmont.
Eric is also an avid photographer, you can view his work at photomartinez.com.
Philmont Experience2008 - Ranger
2009 - Ranger
2010 - Ranger Trainer
2011 - Mountain Trek Coordinator
Autumn Adventure Guide
Winter - Musher at Northern Tier
2012 - Associate Chief Ranger
Autumn Adventure Guide
Winter Adventure Coordinator
2013 - Associate Chief Ranger
Okpik Program Director at Northern Tier
2014 - Chief Ranger
Autumn Staff Coordinator
Chief Ranger
2015 - Chief Ranger
2015 Fall-Spring 2016 - Chief Ranger/PASS Instructor
2016-2019 - Associate Director of Program - Seasonal Personnel/Basecamp Operations
Notable Mentions (Some spellings may be incorrect)Andrea Watson
Kyle Knoll
Barbara Garcia
Mike Lonergan
Eric Niehaus
FISH and Ripples
Mark Anderson
Austin St. George
PASS and PAW programs
John Sully
Mike Crocket
Robert Fudge
Zach Seeger
Nate Lay
Christine Salisbury Sammons
Chris Sawyer
Ranger-Backcountry Baseball Game, 2012 origins
Evan Lawrence
Tim Borden
Jada Day McGirt
Jason Maz
Caleb Burns
Colin Bowser
Matt Hart
Owen McCulloch
Steve Nelson
John Van Dreese
2018 Ute Park Fire
Bryan Hayek
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An episode where tangents and tall tales are always welcome. Jada "Day" McGirt, a loving extrovert, avid rock climber, passionate servant leader, and relationship builder joins the show. Jada embraces tough love and the many challenges that Philmont allows us to grow from. Today she and her Philmont mate, Michael Serio, are farmers in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Philmont Experience2008 - PC Cimarroncito
2009 - Head Rock at Miners Park
Fall, Autumn Adventure Guide
Winter, Kanik Guide
2010 - CD Harlan
Fall, PTC Staff
Winter, Okpik guide at Northern Tier
2011 - CD Whiteman Vega
Due to fire danger - CD Harlan, SSSAC Assistant Manager manning the Rock Wall, ACD Baldy Town, Return to Whiteman Vega
2012 - CD Cito
Fall, PTC Staff
2013 - Backcountry Manager, Unit 45
Fall SSSAC Manager
Notable Mentions: (Spellings may be incorrect)Chip Clardy
Barbara Garcia
Rock Rohrbacher
Nick Verbansic
Zac Crawford
Jeff Goynes
Dave ____ Abreu?
Stephen "Razerhawk" Albauch
Mike and KJ Ritterhouse
Stephen Tennis
Slim Uribe-Goertz
Chris "Topher" Schaller
Christine Salisbury Sammons
Troop 777 - JoAnn Bellknap
Tristan Wagner, Uncle Wagner
Mark Anderson
Coralie Graham
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Author of the inspirational and Philmont famous song, "I Don't Mind," Peter Bingen joins the show to discuss his summers on staff. Today Peter is a professional luthier in Minneapolis, MN - http://www.bingenviolin.com/
Philmont Experience1989 - Trek Participant
1990 - Rayado Participant
1993 - Ranger
1997 - Conservationist at Thunder Ridge
Notable Mentions (Spellings may be incorrect)Marshall Elliott
Mark Kerr
1993 Crater Lake Staff (Tim Freylick, Dano, Scraggins, Wiggly)
Larry McLaughlin - Philmont Documentary
PJ Parmar
Ryan Raddatz
Reggie Jayne
Ellie Nickens Turner
Iron John Logan
Dylan McDermott
The Sala Project
Tobasco Donkeys
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Bear encounter expert and professional ski industry guru, Kevin joins the show to discuss an array of topics to include how to stay true to yourself while on your professional career path, to stories of the 2002 Ponil complex fire and more. Thanks Kevin!
Philmont Experience1993, 1995, 1997 - Participant on trek
2000 - Logistics
2001 - CD Clark's Fork
2002 - CD Miranda
2003 - Backcountry Manager
2001 - Autumn Adventure
2002 - Autumn Adventure Coordinator
2001-2003 - Spring setup crew
Notable MentionsGene Schnell
Doug Palmer
Jim Kutz
Chris Werhane
Nate Lay
Birth of the Backcountry legacy project program
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A life-long "Scout Kid," and one of Philmont's first female "Lumber-Jills," Maggie joins the show today to share her stories about growing up at Philmont. Maggie also highlights the Cimarron community and the amazing people who come together to make the town and school prosper each and every day. A SPAM lover, aspiring artist, and nomadic soul, Maggie lights up when talking about the impact that Philmont continues to have on her life today - the place she still calls home.
Philmont Experience
2009-2013 - Phil-kid
2014 - 12 day trek participant
2015 - Rayado participant
2018 - PC at Pueblano / Conservation TSI crew
2019 - PC at Pueblano
Fall 2020 - PC at Philmont Training Center
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Kicking off Season 2 of Silver On the Sage podcast, current full-time Director of Conservation, Lee Hughes joins the show. With humor and wisdom, Lee shares stories and highlights the positive impact that seasonal Philmont staff have on youth participants. As one of the first Backcountry Managers alongside the late Unit 41, Gene Schnell, Lee discusses how the ranch has evolved and improved throughout the years. Last, but not at all least, Lee talks with us about the current work of the Philmont Conservation Department and all they're doing today to conserve the future of Philmont Scout Ranch.
Philmont Staff Experience1986 PC Fish Camp
1987 CD Fish Camp
1988 CD Pueblano
1989 CD Clear Creek
1990 CD Beaubien
1991 & 92 Backcountry Mgr.
May 1, 2019 - fulltime Director of Conservation
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Campfire of all Campfires - Season 1 Finale
Ellyn Washburne - Rich Cabins Memories
Slim Uribe-Goertz , Jessica Seifert, Rod Taylor - Night Rider's Lament
Tucker Baker and 2014 Metcalf Staff - Campfire Stories and John Henry
Dan Edwards - Rollin in my Sweet Baby’s arms
Kira Redzinak - Wayfaring Stranger, Abigail Belle of Kilronan
Sam Anderson - Gold Miner’s Daughter, Fire On the Mountain
Josh Standard - Breakfast in Hell - Instagram @joshua.standard and @flume.canyon.radio for more tunes.
Nathan Ford - Georgetown
Ian Furst - I Hear Them All
Ian Bagley - Canyon Joe
Josh Standard - The Song of Wyoming
Intermission - FISH
Carly and Dylan McDermott - Dreamers on the Rise
Patrick Navin - Hard Times
Andrew “Red” Florence - The Shrimp Song, Blackest Crow
Stephen Senter - In The Curve, Pretty Fair Maid in Her Garden
Nathan Ford - Paradise
Iron John Logan, Joe Fox, and Jimmy Lowe - Ozarken Hills
Kelly Mazzanobile - Night Rider's Lament, I Don’t Mind
Dan Edwards - Doreen
Ian Furst - Old Ties and Companions
David Burchfield and Staff - The Road to Black Mountain, davidburchfieldmusic.com
Kira Redzinak - Best of Home
Claire Ficke, Carly McDermott, Dylan McDermott - The Mountain
Carly and Dylan McDermott - Hills That I Call Home, Philmont Hymn
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Jimmy Lowe wraps up season one discussing his influential time as a participant on OATC and as a seasonal staff member. Synthesizing his memories for the first time in a while, Jimmy recalls how exposure to Philmont mines and mining history influenced his higher education, career path, and passions. This is the final interview episode of season one of the podcast! Thanks Jimmy!
Philmont Experience
- 2006 - OATC Participant (Order of the Arrow Trail Crew Trek)
- 2007 - PC Beaubien
- 2008 - Services
- 2009 - PC Cyphers Mine
- 2010 - PC Crater Lake
- 2011 - CD Black Mountain
- 2011-2012 - Autumn Guide
- 2012 - CD Cyphers Mine
- 2013 - CD Rayado
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Wally Wolanin, tenured Philmont Training Center staff member, shares a lively interview that begins with a young man’s disbelief that such a place as Philmont Scout Ranch could really be that cool. Turns out it was that cool, and so much more. Wally walks us through the inner workings of a summer experience at the Philmont Training Center (PTC). Discussing that although sometimes thought of as an autonomous place “across the road,” the Philmont Training Center’s programs are extensively intertwined with the rest of the Ranch as a whole. Wally talks about PTC’s rich history of legacy, service, and comradery. Wally credits PTC for helping him break out of his shell and jump-start his professional career trajectory. Sharing the importance of “being there” for participants and stories of happenstance paranormal activity, this episode will surely keep you smiling. Thanks Wally!
Philmont Experience:
- 2008: Trek participant
- 2011: PTC Group Leader
- 2012: PTC Group Leader
- Fall 2012: PTC Autumn Staff Coordinator
- Winter 2013: PTC Staff
- 2013: PTC Group Leader Coordinator
- Fall 2013: PTC Autumn Staff Coordinator
- 2014: PTC Family Program Manager
- LDS Week 2015: Volunteered as Staff for one week to help
- 2016: PTC Participant
- 2019: Represented Philmont at the 2019 World Scout Jamboree
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From participant, to seasonal staffer, to current full-time resident of Cimarron/Ute Park - Meghan Herman joins the show to share the insight she gained while working seasonally in the Health Lodge and in the Backcountry. Florida native, Meghan trained for two-years in preparation to trek at Philmont as a youth. On the plane ride home, she cried, wishing she could stay forever. Turns out, with dedicated work and passion, some wishes do come true! Meghan married fellow seasonal alumni, Ben Herman, who was later offered a full-time position at the ranch. Today they live at Cimarroncita and continue to give back to Philmont and the surrounding communities via their professional careers. Meghan is a nurse in Raton, NM, a mother, an artist, runner, and passionate community member. Meghan gives due praise to the Health Lodge, today called The Infirmary, and it's extensive facilities, capabilities, and trainings. Thank you Meghan - enjoy those Baldy Mountain views for us all!
Philmont Experience:
- 2006 - Trek Participant
- 2007- Medical Rechecker
- 2008 - PC Miners Park
- 2009 - PC Miners Park
- 2010 - Health Lodge Support Staff / Driver
- Fall PTC Maintenance
- 2011 - Health Lodge Support Staff / Driver
- Fall and Winter PTC staff
- 2012 - Health Lodge Support Staff / Driver
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New Mexico native and passionate career Forster, Mary Stuever, joins us to discuss land management, forest fires, and conservation of Philmont’s precious and beautiful landscape. Mary initially pursued a Philmont staff experience for two reasons: to summit Baldy and to prepare to hike the Continental Divide. Like many of us, Mary’s passion for Philmont grew, and she returned for many seasons, spearheading several positive initiatives that remain in effect today. Mary was a co-author of the original Philmont Field Guide, initiator of the Visiting Forester Program, architect of Philmont’s Demonstration Forest, and has participated in many PSA treks and programs alike. Mary discusses the devastation of the 2018 Ute Park fire with a heavy heart, and continues to provide education and consultation to the Ranch in areas of land rehabilitation and protection against future fires. Mary was the recipient of the 2019 PSA Silver Sage Award (alongside the Philmont Fire Department), in recognition of her work to raise Philmont’s awareness and need for year-round forestry programs. Mary’s lively spirit and stories of joy and sorrow, make this episode especially reflective and humbling. Thank you Mary, for all you have done, and continue to do.
Mary’s Philmont history:
1976 and 1977 – Rayado Woman treks
1978 – Philmont Ranger
1982-83 – Philmont Training Ranger
1984 – Contractor, Co-author of the Philmont Field Guide
2005, 2007, 2008 – PSA Treks
2009 – Field tested the Visiting Forester concept
2010 – to Present: Visiting Forester Program Coordinator
2015 – PSA Trek: Sole Sista’s
2018 – PSA Volunteer Vacation
2021 – PSA Philbreak
To learn more, seek out The Forester’s Log by Mary Stuever, available on Amazon or perhaps at your local bookstore (who will be happy to order it for you), or at the National Scouting Museum (at Philmont) bookshop.
Mary encourages listeners to support the Philmont Staff Association - Ute Park Fire Recovery Fund.
**Correction: The architects of Philmont’s Demonstration Forest are Arnie Friedt and Harry Morrison.
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From a very young age, Bucko Cowden was free to roam at Philmont Scout Ranch. As a “Chaplain’s kid” Bucko shares stories of undercover excursions to Ponil, ping-pong tournaments, and numerous Rayado-like Mountain Treks. Returning in 2004 as a young adult on staff, Bucko became “Rock star adjacent” storytelling legend and an integral player in the birth of mountain ball (not to be confused with logger ball). In this episode we discuss an array of Philmont topics from what it was like to experience the 2002 Ponil complex fire to the complexities of the Backcountry Manager position ... to phil-flings and unconventional phil-fiestas! Pour yourself a tall glass of your choosing, light up a fire, gather with friends (in person or virtually), and enjoy this candid and meaningful episode. “We’re all telling the same stories, it’s just the names that have changed.” Thanks Bucko!
Youth Experience
- Chaplain's kid: 1987, 90, 94
Participant Experience
- 7 Mountain Treks: 1994
- 2 Mountain Treks: 1996
Staff Experience
- PC Miranda 2002
- PC Crater Lake 2003
- CD Pueblano 2004
- CD Miranda 2005
- CD Beaubien 2006
- BCM 2007
- BCM 2010
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Join in on this care-free episode as Zac “Moose” Tuggle discusses all things Logger Camps. From humble beginnings working in the Services department at base camp, to recruiting his buddies to form the ultimate logger staff in 2007 at Crater Lake, Zac embodied the backcountry interpretive energy and spirit of fun. Discussing backcountry traditions and larger than life legends, Zac reminds us of those fateful and perfect moments we’ll never forget as young-adult staffers at Philmont Scout Ranch. Although the traditions of “Logger Children” and Logger Ball at Pulebano and Crater Lake have encountered controversy from time to time, they rank high in the storytelling department of Philmont lore. In this episode, Zac also shines a light on the challenges of managing your peers and de-escalating situations with advisors, and how those interactions helped build his confidence and prepare for his career in the United States Marine Corps.
Remembering that he spent his first staff paycheck on the purchase of a coveted silver Philmont belt buckle, Zac still yearns to go back to Philmont, like us all. Thanks Zac! IWGBTP.
Staff Experience:
2004 - Services
2005 - PC Crater Lake
2006 - PC Pueblano
2007 - CD Crater Lake
2009 - CD Clear Creek (half summer)
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Devyn Hanselmann - Coming at ya from “the arm” of Massachusetts aka Provincetown!
Devyn, with her laughter that glows, discusses her initial apprehension about applying to work at “some Boy Scout camp” in the mountains of New Mexico. Of course, the magic of Philmont Scout Ranch crept in, and Devyn excelled for a total of three summers on staff. From the dust and wildflowers of Ponil, to the logistics and operations of the Tooth of Time Traders - Devyn credits her time at Philmont to her current career success working for the National Park Service. With laughter and slight terror, Devyn recounts the treachery of backcountry driving, burro rescues, and other stories along the way. Pausing to consider how much she misses the simple things, such as the sound of boots crunching through the gravel in base camp tent city, Devyn brings to life the nostalgia and the true feeling of summer at Philmont Scount Ranch. Thank you Dev!
Anyone interested in pursuing a career with the National Park Service, please reach out to Devyn: devyn.hanselmann@gmail.com
Staff Experience
2014 - PC Ponil
2015 - Order Fulfillment Specialist ToTT (half summer)
2016 - Backcountry Trading Post Operations Coordinator
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Todd’s passion to teach and pursue a career in education, was significantly influenced by his seasonal staff experience in the conservation department. Feeling restricted by the limitations of the formal classroom, Todd aspired to an education of higher purpose, hence he set out to become a Jewish Rabbi. Returning for four summers as a Jewish Chaplain at Philmont Scout Ranch, Todd discusses the Ministry of Presence, the role of mediation, and the logistical and historical challenges of faith representations within the Philmont Chaplaincy. As a previous trek participant, backcountry seasonal staffer, and Chaplain - Todd has a multifaceted perspective to share. He joyfully reflects on fellow alumni, who embodied and brought to life the child-like attributes of Philmont culture, all the while being professional and prepared to assist at a moments notice.
Todd speaks of cohesiveness and connection amongst Philmont staff and participants. He examines how the type of people who work and trek at Philmont, uphold and produce a great amount of respect for one another. Todd reminds listeners that the core of religion is to help one find meaning in life, find a connection to something greater than oneself, and to make an impact in this lifetime. Thank you Todd!
This episode was recorded on Saturday, March 27, 2021.
*Correction, the flood that Todd discusses in this episode occurred in the Summer of 2015, (not 2016).
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On a particularly fateful day - May 17, 2006 to be exact - Elizabeth “Slim” Uribe-Goertz was hired to work at the Villa, and the rest is history. Today (as I type this to be exact) she is driving to Cimarron, NM - where the Rockies meet the Plains - for good. In this episode Slim shares the many impacts that Philmont had on her life, which ultimately lead her to pursue and accept a full-time HR position at the Ranch. Whitehouse, TX native, Slim is best known for her smooth harmonies and laissez-faire, empowering leadership style. Slim met her husband Eli Page-Goertz at the ranch, as well as her many friends, whom she lovingly claims as her most precious Philmont mementos. In this evening episode, Slim and I chat about backcountry fashion, mental health considerations, Viking feasts, siblings, and of course - music. A carefree spirit and beloved backcountry “mom,” Slim embodies what it means to love a place and give back to it. If you happen to be trekking, on staff, or just in the area - visit CHQ Registration and ask for Slim. She’ll be there for you! Wishing you all the best in your journeys ahead and many thanks for sharing your heart and your stories with us - cheers friend.
Seasonal Staff Experience:
2006- Villa Philmonte tour guide (Villa babe)
2007- PC at Cypher’s Mine
2008- PC at Beaubien/promoted to ACD at Beaubien/battlefield promoted to CD at Abreu
Spring 2009- PTC maintenance
2009- CD at Cypher’s Mine
2010- CD at Urraca
2011- CD at Baldy Town
2013- Infirmary support staff for two weeks
2019- Associate Manager of Communication for Logistics
Notable mentions:
http://www.steelwindmusic.com/home.html
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There is a good chance you know and admire Sarah Burgess, and if you don’t, this episode will catch you up to speed. Sarah Burgess, also known as “Sustaina-Burgess,” has improved and spearheaded several positive changes at Philmont - namely the STEM program and Sustainability efforts done via the Philmont Conservation Department. Sarah credits her brother (also a Philmont alumni) Paul Burgess, as being the catalyst that led her to Philmont. Lovingly reflecting on her time on staff, Sarah shares stories of Search and Rescue efforts, banquet preparations at Ranger Rendezvous, “All Cons” chainsaw alarm clocks, and sunrise chapel services.
Today Sarah gladly continues to make a difference via her time as a California beach clean-up coordinator and by “connecting do-er with dollars” through her work with non-profit organization, 1% For the Planet. Sarah is currently on the Board of Directors for the Philmont Staff Association, giving back to the place that helped concrete her passions for environmental change and sustainability. Sarah reminds us to intentionally strive to live free of ego, to be always curious, and to be inclusive in our conversations and the impacts we have on our precious and beautiful planet. Thank you friend!
All PSA members and their families are invited to the 2021 PSA Annual Reunion. Check out more info here: Celebrating 50+ Years of Conservation
"In the end we will conserve only what we love; we will love only what we understand; and we will understand only what we are taught." -Baba Dioum, 1968
Participant Experience:
2001- ROCS
2002 - Rayado
Staff Experience:
2003-2004 Ranger
2005- Ranger trainer
2006- Rayado trek coordinator
2007-2009 Associate Chief Ranger
2010- 2011 Sustainability Specialist
2013-2014 STEM Coordinator
2015-2016 Associate Director of Conservation - Environmental Education
2008 - Autumn Adventure Guide
2014-2015 Fall Conservation
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Recounting the profound, yet tiny moments and details of everyday life in the backcountry, Justin joins us to discuss his time at Philmont Scout Ranch. As a participant and on staff, Justin spent a decade growing and giving in the High Country. Justin shares how he aspired to leadership positions in order to give back and share what he had learned in previous summers. On the tough days, Justin reminds us of the power of spending time with crews, and of the Ranch-wide aim of changing lives.
Justin, who has published two photography books related to Philmont - Wild and Untamed and Last Summer at Camp - dives into the phases of the creative process. From the seemingly easy “cotton candy” images such as sunrise or sunset, to the quiet images that tell an unseen story, Justin brings us behind the scenes (the lens rather) of his photo narrative journeys. Leaving us with an encouraging note to “Go make the thing and inspire someone else to do the same,” listeners are reminded to resist silencing the creative abilities that lie within each of us. Thank you Justin for your words, images, and bursts of laughter. Happy trails!
Notable mentions:
- In 2002, Bob Mosher was the Roving Prospector. Then in 2008, Ross Robinson held the position. Were there others? Email silveronthesagepodcast@gmail.com to let us know!
- Crooked Creek 2009 staff mentions: Rebekah "Boots" Uribe-Senter and Graham Nelson.
Books mentioned:
Anthropocene by Edward Burtynsky
https://www.edwardburtynsky.com/projects/the-anthropocene-project
The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles by Steven Pressfield
https://www.amazon.com/War-Art-Steven-Pressfield-ebook/dp/B007A4SDCG
Wild & Untamed and Last Summer at Camp by Justin Kernes
https://www.justinkernes.com/
Participant Experience
2003, 2006, 2009 - Regular Treks
Staff Experience
2010 - PC Apache Springs
2011 - PC French Henry
2012 - PC Rich Cabins
2013 - PC Sawmill
2014 - CD Zastrow
2015 - CD Harlan
2015 - Autumn, Villa Gardener
2016 - CD Clarks Fork
2017 - CD Head of Dean
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Tom Munch, who first summited Baldy at age six, (with the help of his grandfather's army surplus Willys Jeep) has familial ties to New Mexico. In 1977 at the age of sixteen, Tom was challenged and grew as a Rayado participant. In 1978 and 1979 as a Ranger, Tom hiked with a guitar strapped to the back of his Kelty backpack, and immersed himself in the solitude of hike-in days and the can-do spirit of the Philmont community. In 1980 as a Program Counselor at Beaubien, Tom learned great music from his peers and via the music scenes of Red River and Taos, NM. In this episode, Tom shares stories of gumption and spirituality, as he encounters momentary blindness and hustles to help a hypothermic participant off of Mt. Phillips. Today Tom is a professional musician, playing gigs, recording albums, and continuing to give back to the Philmont community in numerous ways. Tom, thank you so much for sharing your stories and your insights, it was a pleasure.
Join Tom on Saturday, March 13th at 7pm Mountain, 8pm Central for his Spring Philmont Songs Concert. You can listen and participate live on Facebook, or via Tom’s website: tommunch.com/online-concerts.
In this episode Tom mentions:
Solano’s Boot and Western Wear store in Raton, NM
The song that Tom recites at the end is Mist Covered Mountains, by Mark Knopfler.
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Amidst the challenges of the Texas winter storm of February 2021, Tanner Shaw chats with us about his experiences working as a wrangler in the Ranch Department at Philmont Scout Ranch. Texas native, Tanner shares his appreciation for fulfilling work, life-long learning, and the simple joys of riding horseback. He speaks about the Ranch Department’s culture of respect for ranch leadership, “the bosses”, the tradition of morning coffee stare, and respect for a strong work ethic. From the ghosts of the morning, jingling ponies, and the Cimarron 4th of July Maverick Rodeo, to mountain lion stories and poetry, Tanner embodies what it means to be a true Philmont cowboy. With humble respect for the way of life and the land, Tanner leaves us wishing we could go back for one more summer and experience the ranch as a wrangler. This episode was especially important to me, and I thank you friend.
The poem Tanner recited was “The Heritage” by Buster McLaury
The artist Tanner mentions is Elisabeth Zimmerman: http://www.westernrosestudios.com/
Staff Experience:
2009 - Wrangler
2010 - Horseman
2011 - Horseman
2013 - Horseman
2013 - 2014, Off-Season Wrangler
Participant Experience:
2006 - Regular Trek
2008 - Regular Trek Advisor
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Buckle up for a wild ride with Kyle Knoll and Robyn (Knoll) Newton - brother and sister duo who have a combined 18+ years working in the ranger department at Philmont Scout Ranch. As a "leadership laboratory," Kyle and Robyn discuss the "scramble, be flexible" challenges and wide scope of projects that the ranger department embraces each season. They discuss their involvement in the June 2018 Whites Peak Fire evacuation (South Country) and coinciding Search and Rescue. Robyn puts into perspective the influence that rangers have on the participant experience. Kyle shares details about his role as Service Academy Coordinator and how the dedication to "serving others" continues on after one leaves Philmont. With welcomed interruptions, stories of heroism and legacy, and intentions to improve the system for future staff and participants - this hour long episode hits home.
To learn more about the Service Academy: PSA-Academy-USAFA-Rangers
To read more about the Ranger Axe: PhilNews-2019-Ranger-Axe
I want to thank Kyle and Robyn for being willing to do a duo-interview with candid enthusiasm and fun. Cheers friends!
Robyn (Knoll) Newton
Participant Experience
Mountain Trek (2002, 2003)
Regular Trek (2002, 2004)
Rayado (2004)
Staff Experience
2006 - Ranger
2007 - PTC Group Leader
2008 - Ranger
2009 - Mountain Trek Ranger
2012 - Ranger Trainer
2013 - Scheduler for Ranger Department
2014 - Logistics
Kyle Knoll
Participant Experience
Mountain Trek (2003, 2004)
Regular Trek (2002, 2004, 2006)
Rayado (2005)
Staff Experience
2008 - Ranger
2009 - Ranger, Rayado Ranger
2010 - Ranger Trainer
2011 - Ranger Trainer
2012 - 2018 - Service Academy Coordinator
2019 - Assistant Chief Ranger
2020 - The Chief Ranger that never was
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Kicking off a new type of interactive episode - Virtual I-Camp dedications! I invited all listeners to send in virtual i-camp submissions, which I then read on air. Submissions include dedications to friends, messages to our past selves, future children, Philmont lovers, and the like! This episode was especially fun as it aired on Valentine's Day 2021, and also included a live video component, so listeners could comment and watch while I recorded. Thank you to everyone who submitted I-camp content. It is my hope to do more interactive episodes like this in the future. Cheers! -Caitlin Lowe
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"To ensure that every person had the best program that they could possibly have."
In this weeks episode, I'm excited to chat with Katy (Cox) McCallon about the innerworkings of the Philmont Training Center (PTC). Katy's Philmont staff experience is rooted in family and Scouting. As a youth, Katy enjoyed participating in Venturing, earning the Outdoor Bronze, Gold, Ranger, Silver, and council Venturing Leadership Awards. Katy's parents met at Philmont back in 1984. Katy went on to meet and marry a fellow staffer herself - Jesse McCallon. The two met in 2011, were engaged atop the Tooth of Time, and married at the Villa 2014! Katy credits her experience working at PTC to her career roles in Human Resources, and her current commitment to give back to local Scouting as a Volunteer. Thank you Katy!
Philmont Years
2009-2014, PTC Seasonal Registrar
Katy would like to support the Seton Museum,
https://www.philmontscoutranch.org/museums/
Dawn Chandler Artwork,
https://www.taosdawn.com/
and Eric Martinez photography
https://photomartinez.com/
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**“You get to experience nature better because you're in it, for every sunrise and sunset.”
Philmont Years
2010 - Conservationist at Beaubien (promoted to lead)
2011 - Conservationist Saw Crew at Copper Park
2013 - Conservationist Saw Crew Forman - various locations
Matt Galchus, also known as, “Matty G!” gives a candid yet professional interview about his time working seasonally in the Philmont conservation department, and contributing today via PSA Volunteer Vacation. Matt currently lives in Upstate New York and has found success in many aspects of life, including his entrepreneurial endeavor to combat irritation from spicy food consumption! With humor and wisdom, Matt gives an inside perspective of his experience as a backcountry conservationist.
Notes:*
- The fire that Matt mentioned was the Whites Peak Fire which started on June 13, 2013. It threatened Philmont’s southern border, hence evacuating the southernmost backcountry camps. Thankfully the fire was contained and did not reach the Ranch itself.
- Regarding the Conservationist short-shorts fad, the man that Matt wants to credit is the one and only - Michael Serio.
- Lastly, it turns out that the internet in the Des Moines, Iowa area is not always reliable. Still working to trouble-shoot this! Whew.
Check out Matt’s dietary supplement: After Burn at https://afterburnsupplement.com/ You can purchase a sample of the supplement, t-shirt with the epic logo, and more!
Matt also wants to support Philmont alumni Justin Kernes and his latest book Last Summer At Camp. https://www.justinkernes.com
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A quick introduction of the podcast and what listeners can expect to hear each week!
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Thank you for listening!
Your Host,
Caitlin Lowe
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Michael Stamat, North Carolina native, joins me for a witty chat, discussing his four years working security staff at Philmont. Hop in the car and journey with Stamat from coast to coast, as he picks up staffers along the way, and arrives at Philmont in time for summer staff training. Go behind-the-scenes with Stamat has he de-bunks myths of mischief and shares stories of the chance situations that security staff encounter. Life-long Scouter and camper, Stamat shares a unique and full-circle perspective of the many positive benefits that camp communities offer. *Stamat had some facts wrong. Rick informed him that the Red Dawn scene was NOT filmed in Cimarron, but was filmed in Las Vegas, NM. Thank you Stamat for getting us the correct information!
Philmont Years
- 2009 - Security
- 2010 - Security
- 2011 - Security
- 2012 - Security
Stamat would like to ask folks to reach out to their local Council and sign up to be merit badge counselors, offer to help with High Adventure crew preparations, or get involved with local troops/packs. "We can't forget that without Scouting, Philmont won't exist."
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Kira comes alive in this episode sharing stories about her misfit adventure that led her to Philmont as a participant in 2004, and then again as a staff member in 2008. She shares her love for Indian Writings, where with her staff she re-invented program utilizing innovative tactics, making the camp irresistible to all participants and visitors. Kira shares about her unique, and life-changing interactions with staff leadership, which allowed her to grow and overcome challenges. Thank you Kira, for being my second ever interviewee! Your storytelling is top-notch and your candid personality is infectious. Cheers friend!
Philmont Years
- 2004 - Participant (702-k8)
- 2008 - Program Counselor Clarks Fork
- 2009 - Program Counselor Cypher's Mine
- 2012 - Camp Director/Archaeologist Indian Writings
- 2011 - Camp Director Cypher's Mine
Follow along and subscribe to Kira's YouTube channel, where she covers an array of genres from Avett Brothers and Lord of the Rings to traditional folk tunes and musical theatre. https://www.youtube.com/c/KiraRedzinak
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In this episode, I get to chat with Lela Murphy, the great-granddaughter of Waite Phillips. We discuss the benefits of Lela's diverse positions on Philmont staff, and how it allowed her to better connect with and appreciate the Ranch as a whole. We touch on timely topics such as implications of being a female in the Ranger department, and the oddities of ranch-wide departmental rivalries. Lela is married to her soulmate and Phil-fling, Sean Murphy, and shares heart-warming moments of their time together at Philmont. Lela is currently working as a second grade teacher in Texas, with aspirations to one day teach in non-traditional learning environments.
Lela was my very first interviewee. I'm so thankful for her willingness and genuine support of this podcast. Her humble and down-to-earth personality, mixed with her energy of good vibes, makes her a true motivator and model servant-leader. Thanks Lela! Keep the stoke high!
Philmont Years
- 2012 - Villa Tour Guide
- 2013 - Ranger
- 2014 - PC Head of Dean
- 2015 - CD Carson Meadows
- 2016 - CD Head of Dean
- 2017 - Infirmary Driver
- 2017 - Winter PTC
Lela wants to support fellow Philmont alumni, Savren Nelson and her small jewelry business at www.sdesigns.org.
Lela also wants to support the family and friends of Abe Platzer who recently passed away. Abe was a PC at Carson Meadows in 2015. Donations can be sent to the Philmont Staff Association. More info on the website below:
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