In this episode of the Application Security Podcast, hosts Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut engage in a deep discussion with guest David Quisenberry about various aspects of application security. They cover David's journey into the security world, insights on building AppSec programs in small to mid-sized companies, and the importance of data-driven decision-making.

The conversation also delves into the value of mentoring, the vital role of trust with engineering teams, and the significance of mental health and community in the industry. Additionally, Chris, David and Robert share personal stories that emphasize the importance of relationships and balance in life.

Books Shared in the Episode:

SRE Engineering by Betsy Beyer, Chris Jones, Jennifer Petoff and Niall Richard Murphy https://sre.google/books/

The Phoenix Project by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr and George Spafford https://itrevolution.com/product/the-phoenix-project/

Security Chaos Engineering by Aaron Rinehart and Kelly Shortridge https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/security-chaos-engineering/9781492080350/

CISO Desk Reference Guide by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, Matt Stamper https://books.google.com/books/about/CISO_Desk_Reference_Guide.html?id=-goEvgAACAAJ

Wiring the Winning Organization by Gene Kim and Dr. Steven J. Spear https://itrevolution.com/product/wiring-the-winning-organization/

The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/313183/the-body-keeps-the-score-by-bessel-van-der-kolk-md/

Intelligence Driven Incident Response by Rebekah Brown and Scott J. Roberts https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/intelligence-driven-incident-response/9781098120672/?_gl=1w1vx1o_gaMTM4Nzk1NzQ2My4xNzE3NDQwMDE1_ga_092EL089CH*MTcxODM4NjMzNi4zLjEuMTcxODM4Njc5NS4zOS4wLjA.

Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi https://www.keithferrazzi.com/books

Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374533557/thinkingfastandslow

Do Hard Things by Steve Magness https://www.harpercollins.com/products/do-hard-things-steve-magness?variant=39973759483938

How Leaders Create and Use Networks, Whitepaper by Herminia Ibarra and Mark Lee Hunter https://hbr.org/2007/01/how-leaders-create-and-use-networks

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