'I wish I had been more myself when I was going through school. You just try to fit in. If we all realised that at 16 then those formative years would be a lot easier.'

James McDermott talks to Ben Richardson, bookshop manager and father, about his journey to manhood.

Hosted by James McDermott: www.jamesmcdermottwriter.weebly.com

Produced by Story Machine Productions: www.storymachineproductions.co.uk

Music by Jordan Mallory-Skinner

For more on Mantor: The Masculinity Conversations see here.

Supported by Arts Council England's Emergency Fund.