In which we have such a free-range conversation there is little point going over all of it here. Safe to say it is more covid chat and indeed, we do venture into the larger ramifications around bitcoin and some other subjects. It's a conversation so it flows around wildly, certainly my laid-back way became increasingly forward. What a rubbish sentence, I'm no kind of wordsmith! Begone my tortured metaphors!

Also, I waffle quite a bit at the end, hopefully with purpose. Hopefully the music denotes the mood. 

Ahem...I mentioned Brett Weinstein's podcast so here it is https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY Caution: it is quite alarming. 

Further links:

Cat Empire  https://soundcloud.com/cool_sensei_wu/the-cat-empire-the-chariot

Midnight Oil  - The only link I could find for when the general Talks is on You Tube and as we are any Corp platforms , you will have to find it on you favourite sub scription service .