Vicki and Geraldine talk to the man responsible for an enormous amount of behind-the-scenes shaping of the Online Safety Bill about whether we’re finally about to get an internet that feels a bit less like the setting for a Mad Max movie.

Talking points: 

• Are we about to enter the public health era of the internet?
• What impact has the Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen had?
• In a Bill that’s squarely aimed at protecting children, why don’t parents get a mention?