Here's the quote I reference in the podcast. ...life is born of tension, struggle and difference.  That life is not born by virginal withdrawal but by active coupling.  Whether the coupling is that of a positive/negative charge that gives birth to an electrical current; whether it is that of oxygen and hydrogen that births the great miracle of the universe called water; whether it is that of the musician coupling with her images of notes and forms; whether it is the sculptor coupling with her wood; whether it is husband and wife coupling in their love and birthing a child; whether it is a widow coupling with memories of a deceased husband: all love is born of the conflict that dialectical consciousness acknowledges.  Dualism wants to control conflict, to deny tension and difference.  And in the process of such denial nothing is born.  It is stillborn. (211)  Fox, Matthew. Original Blessing. New York: Bear & Company, 1983.