In their sixteenth episode, Alex and Ben discuss examples of interesting characters (occasionally challenging the notion of what makes a character). Examples include the Judge from the novel Blood Meridian, the novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, Darius Epps from the show Atlanta, the Dragonborn from Skyrim, Jenny Fields from The World According to Garp, and the album 36 Ghosts by Nine Inch Nails.