This episode features Hunter Lovins, a giant in the renewable energy field and founder of Natural Capitalism Solutions, and Jesse Gerstin, Director of Sustainable Business at SimpliPhi Power, and former director of the Clinton Climate Initiative. Jesse has his MBA in sustainability from Bard College, where Hunter was his instructor and mentor. The two have maintained their relationship over the years and took the time to chat over zoom for this conversation.

Jesse and Hunter explore how renewable energy makes economic sense, what a regenerative recovery from COVID-19 might look like and how we can make sure that this recovery is equitable, inclusive and just.