How should policymakers balance life and death with jobs, incomes, mental health and education? Is there a way we can consider all these factors at the same time? Do we have the statistics to do it? And are the measures we’re currently using all that helpful?

Ben Chu (The Independent) and Lizzy Burden (The Telegraph) speak to Lord Gus O’Donnell (former UK Cabinet Secretary) and Diane Coyle (Cambridge University).

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