El and Josie discuss the ins and outs of "passing," and how the concept can be harmful to the gender expansive community.

Check out "Nvr Pass" by She/Her/Hers!

And the books we mentioned in the episode:

The Singing Hills Cycle by Nghi Vo

Phoenix Extravagant by Yoon Ha Lee

Dreadnought by April Daniels

Music for Gender Journeys Composed by Sonia Bourdaghs

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