Primitive Ignorant aka Symren Gharial and John Clay candidly discuss the fallout of Grenfell, addiction, racially-based self-harm and the possibility of overcompensation during 'time off' from discussions on racism. All this plus a deconstruction of the vocalist, LE JUNK, film director Steve Gullick Photography and Bess Cavendish, all collaborators on Primitive Ignorant's latest single, 'The Ballad of Markland Estate'.