In this episode of Peace Lab Conversation, I spoke to Nathalie Heynderickx, an IT and data governance specialist, who for many years worked as a leader for global consulting companies such as IBM, EY and Accenture.   Nathalie found her way into yoga and mindfulness when she was looking for means to effectively manage her highly stressful corporate job.  Slowly she became known among her colleagues as the well-being "go-to-person".  Then in 2015 this 'side-interest' of hers has turned into the creation of Zen High Achiever, a boutique consultancy specializing in leadership development and wellbeing programs for tech professionals. Nowadays (if you are lucky), you may also catch Nathalie lecturing on positive psychology to postgraduate students at Monash University.   Nathalie shared with me that the key premises of her work is that human potential, personal growth and that leadership starts with the SELF.  I resonate with this profoundly.   This reminded me of the famous quote by my favorite poet - Rumi, that "yesterday I was clever, I wanted to change the world; today I am wise, I change myself".  Also in ancient Chinese Taoism, Lao Zi said to his students that "the smartest man knows about others, but the wisest man knows himself." We both agreed that only when we know and understand the SELF (such as our beliefs, perceptions, judgements and values), we can make lasting changes, and we can then lead others by example.  Most recently Nathalie has started an interesting and exciting project - the Mindful AI Manifesto http://themindfulaimanifesto.org/, which advocates for incorporating human values in artificial intelligence / AI.  You may ask, but how? Ok, I guess you just have to stay to the end, and you shall find out!  I hope you enjoy this episode with the lovely Nathalie (doesn't she have a beautiful accent!), and lets go forward with a desire of knowing ourselves more every day, shadow and light, joy and sorrow.  More about Nathalie:  - www.linkedin.com/in/nathalieheynderickx/.  More on the Mindful AI Manifesto:  - www. themindfulaimanifesto.org  More on Zen High Achiever:  - zenhighachiever.com