This episode was recorded just after the summer of 2020. I am speaking to Daniel at a point where the future is starting to look more positive. We had just come out of the initial fears involved in the first lockdown and were very much looking to the future, recognising that life has changed and questioning whether we would want it to return to pre-pandemic states.  This episode is a recognition of the amazing resilience of people and the capacity of both the individual and organisation to change and develop.