Phil and Sandy are joined on this very real episode by Manchester Recovery Community Center Manager, Cathy Bergren. Cathy gives a picture of how our experiences shape us and, in some cases, can lead to a life defined by substance use. We hear about the progressive nature of its' influence and how it can take us to places we wish it didn't. But Cathy also shows us that being brought to those dark places can show us a pathway to the brightest and beautiful of lives.