In episode 10, Elizabeth is joined by leadership expert Rob Smith. Rob describes his fascinating journey into education leadership coaching, via fighter jet pilots and prison wings, and explains how we can develop the next generation of education leaders.

Rob discusses what makes a great leader, why vision is at the heart of everything and how things can go wrong when schools don't have the right support for new leaders in place. He finishes off by describing the bits he loved about school in our familiar quickfire round.

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