Ken and Paul discuss a lunch that Ken had with a Black man who denies that systemic racism exists. It got Ken thinking - how do we succinctly respond to someone who denies systemic racism in something as short as a workday lunch? He takes a crack at it.

They also discuss: - A racist idea that they both realize is important to check as White men. - How monopolized power has resulted in dominant cultural norms, expectations, and rules that appear "race-neutral" on the surface, but, in fact, disproportionately disadvantage people of color.  - The idea of an individual's "merit" and how privilege can impede a fair shake.

From their discussion, they reference Alicia Sheares' essay, "To dismantle systemic racism, White people must be willing to give up their power." See the full essay here: shorturl.at/lsSW8

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