https://youtu.be/hfJCwJ6K1rg Transcript [00:00:09.130] - Darshan Doshi Hi guys. Welcome to DASAR. Today we are going to talk about health and wellness. They say good health is wealth. And this topic today that we are going to talk about is something that's very, very dear to me. And it's about nutrition, it's about chronic diseases. It's about well-being, it's about preventive health care or simple things that you could do to remain healthy for as long as you can live, right? And I could not think of a better person than Mugdha Pradhan. I've known Mugdha for a few years now. She has been through a personal experience, which I'm hoping we'll be able to talk through in this podcast. But a quick introduction. Mugdha is the founder of iThrive. She's a TEDx speaker. She has been or is a nutritionist. She works with a lot of people of different ages on managing their nutrition, their health, their well being, overcoming, curing, chronic diseases, and a whole lot of things that we are going to get into. So in this podcast, it's going to be a long podcast, we go deep on the topic of nutrition, of chronic diseases. So stay tuned if you have any questions. If you think we should cover anything more, drop in a comment. So, Mugdha I have given a quick overview of who you are. I would love to. First of all, thank you for coming on DASAR. It's such a pleasure to have you here. And my first question to you, Mugdha, is how big is this problem, the wellness problem, the health care problem? We are 1.3 billion people nation and growing. We have one of the youngest population in the world, but we also have a very large number of elderly people facing some massive health challenges. So can you just give a context of what is the problem, the size of the problem, what is the problem in healthcare that we are dealing with today? [00:02:05.580] - Mugdha Pradhan For sure, before I answer that amazing question, thank you so much for inviting me. I always keep looking for opportunities where I can actually talk about this because it's like I do this day in and day out. I see people who get sick for such simple I mean, you can just prevent and reverse so many things from happening, right? And I'm like, if I could just talk about this more. So, thank you so much for inviting me. I do have a master's degree in nutrition and I've been doing this work, like working with people, reversing diseases, helping them with their chronic health conditions for the last five years now. So, lots of insights that we've seen. So, in India, what happens with research to answer that big question, right? Like, what truly happens with chronic health conditions, at least abroad? When we go into research, we have so much data around the overall chronic health problem. In India, it's all fragmented. So you'll have data about diabetics and then it's shocking data, right? So, for example, as of 2020, I'm sure the numbers become worse because of how people ate during the lockdown. As of 2020, there were 77 million diabetics in India. [00:03:15.290] - Darshan Doshi Wow. [00:03:15.760] - Mugdha Pradhan Yeah. The number of cancer cases have been going up and the predictions are pretty bad for cancer. And again, people think cancer is something that just happens. But if you look at it deeply, if you go down deep, the way we look at the body and nutrition, it actually is another lifestyle disease. I was looking at the numbers for cardiovascular because so many young people are just passing away with heart attacks, and that number is scary as well. It's around 55 million people who suffer with some sort of a cardiac ailment. And the worst, though, is currently there's an estimate of 190.7 million people with mental health problems, which is not even spoken about, at least diabetes, you get like a diagnosis saying your blood sugar levels are high, and then there's a little degree of compassion around it. People say, don't eat sugar. And all of that happens. Mental health is, again, I would say, largely lifestyle driven, and no one's really talking enough about it. So the numbers are pretty dramatic. In a population of 1.3 billion, you have 77 million diabetes, 55 million people with heart problems, 190.7 million people with mental health issues. COPD is another problem, which is a respiratory condition, thanks to the pollution we have here. So it's dismal in terms of numbers, but we'll talk more. While I'm a little optimistic about what can happen. [00:04:41.360] - Darshan Doshi But those numbers are mind boggling. 190 million, it's close to all of US population. And that is the number that you mentioned for mental health concerns. My guess is with the pandemic, with social media, with lack of close relationships being not formed, I think those numbers could be higher. It's not like a blood test which will pop up and tell you you have this condition. [00:05:12.250] - Mugdha Pradhan Absolutely. [00:05:12.800] - Darshan Doshi Right. So, great. Thanks for setting the context. It's a big problem, and let's make this personal. You mentioned a lot of people with heart diseases passed away. I remember in 2021, few of my friends below 45 have passed away. And they were fit, they were good into exercise, but they passed away. And it's a tough time. Someone who has five year old passes away, you don't anticipate it at all, and it is literally just drop dead. Like, I want to hear this. You've personally gone through a chronic disease yourself. What was it and how did you overcome it and what made you start iThrive? [00:06:02.890] - Mugdha Pradhan Yeah. So, for me and people were surprised, right. Because I have this master's degree in nutrition and I'm supposed to know all about food. But I had a pivot in my career long ago, because when I did my Masters in, the kind of work opportunities that were available weren't really research based, person friendly. They were mostly gym jobs and that kind of stuff. So I actually went into HR, I went to XLRI, and I went into the corporate world. I was there for like 15 years. And in doing that, what happens to typical corporate employees, what happened to me. By 2016, I was at 97 kg, so I was overweight for sure, which even obesity is actually a chronic health problem. It's not just an aesthetic issue, right? It's actually something else going on inside your body. I had that. I had an autoimmune condition called Hashimoto where my body was destroying my own thyroid gland. And most autoimmune conditions are considered non-reversible. People think once you get it, you just need immunosuppressant steroids for you to deal with it. And I also had prediabetes. So I had the early signs of diabetes because genetically my family is prime for diabetes. So all of these things were going on. And I also was going through other stuff in my personal life. I was actually going through clinical depression. I was on antidepressants and like, the whole show of depression, so suicide ideation, everything was happening. It was happening simultaneously. So my mind and my body, everything was messed up. And that's when I moved out of the country. So I had a little bit of respite from working full time to kind of just see what I looked into the mirror for a long time, and I couldn't recognize who I was looking back. So I was like, I have to do something about this. And that is when I started figuring out what was really going on. How did I gain so much weight? I wasn't someone who was eating a pizza every day or drinking a litre and a half of coke every day. I was still gaining weight, and I was still pretty sick. And I went back to the world of nutrition then, though, what I had learned in my Masters wasn't really of any use anymore because it was just the basics of your carbohydrate, protein, and fat. And that's when I had to go into this world of functional medicine, which is what we practice at iThrive also. So it's all about looking for the root causes through data. For example, data from your blood test. So when I discovered there's this entire field, which is beyond just eat your lentils or chapati, just manage your macro, it was beyond that. It was like really understanding what was happening to my body, figuring out what was going on, figuring out which of the tests that were going to tell me how to measure this, and then actually applying solutions to that. So I studied that. Then I actually went deep into functional medicine. I started learning how to interpret blood tests, and then I was back in India by then. So one of the things is I actually thought doctors would help me out, right? Because I was feeling so sick, and I had no energy and all of that going on. And then most doctors didn't have any of the answers, right? One was like, you'll feel low when you don't have tea, and tea is what is giving you energy. Drink some tea. I was like, Okay, wrong. That's definitely not the answer I was looking for. Another person said that maybe it's just menopause and just ignore it. I'm like, Okay, not the answer I'm looking for. So I went from doctor to doctor, actually trying to find a solution, because that's how we are trained. Also, when you feel sick, you first go to a doctor because you think that they have the answers to your health. And this is why I actually created iThrive. So I figured out they didn't really know how to help me. And I started studying functional medicine parallely. And then I did my blood work. I analyzed my own blood test, and then I saw what was going on. So I had this autoimmune thing happening, which was because of food sensitivities, which was because of toxins, and then there was insulin resistance, and there were a lot of things that were happening. And then I started applying the solutions to reverse all of that. So 80% of the work was food. 20% was other stuff, including lifestyle changes, like more meditation, breathwood practices, some degree of supplementation where there were deficiencies like vitamin-D and stuff like that. And in about three months, Darshan, I started seeing dramatic changes. My weight dropped. My Facebook profile picture started changing. So friends and family were like, okay, whatever you're doing for yourself, please share it with us. And I realized that there were a lot of people who were experiencing what I experienced the fatigue, the drop in energy, the mind not really being stable, not liking what you see in the mirror, all of that. Your gut giving you trouble all the time. And when they would go to conventional medicine practitioners, they would usually be given some pill or the other to kind of suppress the symptoms without really being able to understand what was happening in their body. And I was like, Okay, I had to do this on my own. But what if I offered this as a service to the people who are struggling? And I did it to the degree of compassion, and I did it to the degree of authenticity and care, the kind that I wish I had received. Would they be up for it? And I just asked in my network, and people wanted it, and now iThrive. It's a 40 member team. It's twice funded. Yeah, we have people, right from New Zealand to Canada who are taking our services, and now it's not just about helping people with their chronic health conditions, because we also have our own academy. So there were other nutritionists who wanted to learn what I had learned. There were doctors who came to us our first batch of the Academy actually had an allopathic doctor saying, okay, I became a doctor because I wanted to help people. But I finished my MBBS and I don't know anything apart from list of medicine names and surgeries, right. So he came to us to learn this, like how to do lifestyle medicine for people. And we've now run 13 batches, so we're teaching people how to do this. We have our own line of supplements because that's another struggle I had, finding good quality supplements when it came to helping your body with the raw material it needed. [00:12:28.250] - Darshan Doshi This is great. Thanks for sharing your own story. Very inspirational. I relate to this. I think we had talked in 2019 when I was similarly very lethargic, not at all active. 84, 85 kgs looking to, finally something had triggered where I wanted to get fit, and spent the next year to two years mostly focusing on nutrition, simple stuff, and then doing three workouts a week. And that kind of showed the results for me. And so those are lifestyle changes. [00:13:04.890] - Mugdha Pradhan Absolutely. [00:13:06.530] - Darshan Doshi But the challenge is, for anyone who wants to do that, there is not a lot of information or hand holding that is there available today. And so, hopefully, this is what we are trying to achieve in this podcast. So now my next question to you is there's so much talk about chronic diseases. When you just Google search it, you'll find a lot of PR articles throwing a lot of numbers and scaring people, right? And the solution to it is go to the doctors, do a bunch of things. It's basically money, right? Not surprisingly, once you cross the age of 40, of the biggest expense items is item on health. You're spending money to just get better, not to thrive, but actually to get through the daily basics, correct. So maybe you would love to hear, what are some of these chronic diseases? How are you able to reverse them or what is the approach? I just would love to hear a little bit about this. [00:14:10.060] - Mugdha Pradhan So it's been an interesting journey in these diseases also. For example, earlier on, like 2017, most of the people who approached me, it would either be for weight loss or for diabetes. They had been diagnosed with diabetes. They had been told that they'd have to be on medication for life. And they wanted to there was a degree of awareness that, okay, diabetes can be helped with lifestyle modifications. So people came for that. So even now we see a lot of people who come to us with diabetes, but it suddenly feels like there's an explosion of diseases. So the team and I think for the website, we were looking at some numbers of all the diseases we've treated so far, 158 disease labels. When did these labels come, right? Who is issuing all these different, like, surgery syndrome and transpose myelitis, and some of them come to us with a cluster of symptoms without any label also. But I would categorize there's diabetes. There are people with blood pressure issues, like typically high BP, something that they've been diagnosed with, and then they are suffering the consequences of that. So the inability to kind of rest well, the anxiety through the day, the dizziness, the headaches, all of that, that's happening because of high BP. And then there are heart health problems. The other cluster that we see is a lot of autoimmune conditions. So autoimmune itself is a big category. It could be an autoimmune thyroid condition, it could be an autoimmune nerve condition, it could be an autoimmune muscle condition, or it could be an autoimmune gut condition. So we have diabetes, we have high BP, we have heart problems. [00:15:43.570] - Darshan Doshi And these are not necessarily 70 plus. [00:15:46.260] - Mugdha Pradhan No. [00:15:47.120] - Darshan Doshi What is the average age that you're talking about here? [00:15:49.510] - Mugdha Pradhan Our average age in all the people we've treated, it's come down. The average is coming down. So now our demographic that we work with mostly is in the 32 onwards to 50. That's the average demographic we have outliers on both ends. Like, the youngest patient we worked with was a two year old for the autism. That kid was on the spectrum. The oldest is a 75 year old. He came to us for Alzheimer's. Not really reversing Alzheimer's, but some help with kind of mitigating the symptoms and just energy and all that. And other than auto, even now you're seeing a lot of people with gut issues. So post pandemic, I don't know what happened in the pandemic. Maybe it was the lifestyle or the food choices that people made, the ordering in, but every alternate consult I'm having now is a gut issue. [00:16:39.550] - Darshan Doshi What is the gut issue? [00:16:40.620] - Mugdha Pradhan Acidity. Acid reflux constipation or IBS, diarrhea or they're having a lot of gas and bloating unexplained, like, every meal is causing trouble. So it could be that there have been changes in the environment, the water itself. We are also trying to analyze what's really going on. Like, we tested water from a few places in Pune and just to see if the microbiome has changed. So we have an entire research and development wing now. It's six people that just do R&D. They don't work with clients, they don't teach in the academy. They're just doing R&D all the time. It could be water, it could be the environment. It could simply be an outcome of the food they've eaten for a year and a half. But a lot of people are coming to us with that issue. [00:17:25.810] - Darshan Doshi How are you tackling these people with chronic diseases? What's the secret sauce? [00:17:31.190] - Mugdha Pradhan The secret sauce is not so secret because we teach it in the Academy. There's just a price for learning it. But see, it starts really with knowing what is the underlying root cause. Typically in diabetes, the root cause for elevated blood sugar. See, diabetes is just a label given to a person when they have blood sugar levels about whatever the doctor fancies. More than 120, 180, 200. Different doctors have different ways of categorizing it. Or your HBA1C might be high. If someone's blood sugar levels are high, it usually indicates that they have something called as insulin resistance going on in the body. So insulin is this hormone that carries glucose into your cells. Unless you're on a keto diet. Glucose is the primary energy molecule that every cell, including your brain cells, used for energy. So insulin is the hormone that carries glucose inside a cell. Like, it's literally the Uber driving a passenger to a location. If your cells don't open up to insulin, like, there's a barricade saying no Uber is allowed inside. Then the passenger can't get into the cell. So most people with diabetes have this thing happening where there's a resistance to insulin entering the cell. Like, you just can't unlock the cell, and then glucose can't enter, so that extra glucose is floating around in your bloodstream, and that's what's getting measured as diabetes. So we work on reversing this insulin resistance, which we do by eliminating seed oils, for example. So all vegetable oils are very high in omega six fatty acids. Evolutionarily, if humans have eaten high omega-6 fatty acids, like, if our ancestors did not get saturated fat, for example, and they ate a lot of nuts and seeds and that kind of fat came in, the body thinks it's a famine situation, and it starts storing that. So it's absolute biochemistry that's happening. Your body is just doing its evolutionary biochemistry. That too many seed oils. All of us are using sunflower oils and all these vegetable oils for cooking. We don't use ghee that much because ghee has been demonized. So we cut down these omega sixes, we bring in things that will improve the insulin sensitivity. So micronutrients like chromium and magnesium and all of that. Also a little bit of movement and exercise through the day. And we just cut down on all the refined carbs. There's no need for excess refined carbs to go into the bloodstream. And just monitoring and modifying that usually helps a person reverse their insulin resistance. [00:19:56.370] - Darshan Doshi How much time are we talking about? [00:19:58.550] - Mugdha Pradhan Three months is more than enough, actually. So with the diabetes, we've always had pretty dramatic results, unless it's type one, where the body is not making insulin at all, right? Like, the pancreas is injured or it's just damaged and it's not making insulin. But type two diabetes, three months are enough for blood sugar levels even as high as 350-400 hundred to come back into your 90s. Yeah. So, see, this is the fascinating part about our body. People think that this body is just some dense thing that you're supposed to, like, sleep in and wake up and move through the day. But it's a super intelligent there's so much intelligence in it. Even if you think of how your heart is beating, how am I getting this energy to speak at this particular pitch? How does my body know how to do this? It knows how to heal itself, which is why it really works hard to keep you alive. If it was designed for death and destruction, the minute the first stressor happened, it would collapse. It doesn't. We keep assaulting our body through our lifetime, and still it hangs on till 70, 80 years, right? So our body wants to live. You give it the right kind of support, you understand what it's trying to communicate with you through these messages. Because every symptom, whether it's a headache or whether it's your gas and bloating or whether it's elevated blood sugars, is your body just trying to tell you something is wrong inside. I'm sending you this message. Please read it and fix it. So you learn how to interpret that message and you fix it. So with diabetes, it's usually the insulin signaling mechanism that's broken. We fix it and diabetes gets fixed. Autoimmune is a little more complicated because it could be multiple factors that are causing an immune flare up. And then the body is going into this. It's like, you know, at the border, if there's some hidden sniper shooting from somewhere, the first time he shoots, the army here will get alert, right? But then he keeps shooting, and you don't know where the sniper is, right. So you just start throwing grenades and everything. You have everything in your artillery. You just start throwing in that direction, and there'll be collateral damage for you also. So that's what happens in an autoimmune. It's usually a toxin or a pathogen or some kind of an allergen or sometimes even a deep stressor that triggers this immune flare up. And if you haven't treated that particular root cause, well, that immune reaction continues and continues and continues because your actual insurgent hasn't gone yet, right? So the body is just mounting a response continuously and in that, then other organs start getting damaged. So there it really becomes about figuring out what is going on. Again, blood test is how we do it. Gas and bloating, acidity again. So if it's acidity, acid reflux, we've usually seen pathogens. So there's a bacteria called H pylori, which is often the culprit when someone has acid reflux and acidity happening. Sometimes it could just be food that you're not digesting well or you have an allergic when that's causing the gas and bloating. What is, cancer is a long term, longer duration developmental disease starts off with oxidative stress at a cellular level, sometimes mutation because of some thing you took, and then it develops, but it can be arrested to a degree. [00:23:14.450] - Darshan Doshi This is a lot of the physical, chronic diseases, right? But also, you mentioned there's a huge issue with mental health conditions that a lot of people are facing, right? So I have two questions to it. One is, is it across age groups? If so, what can be done? Because there are a lot of startups, there are a lot of people, there's a lot of awareness that's coming through, that there is mental fitness is needed. But how, when, where nothing is being talked about. So maybe that is the area that you could talk about. [00:23:53.520] - Mugdha Pradhan Sure. See mental health again, the demographic that we help the most, like the ones who come to us and say that, okay, I need help, are the ones who are in the 35 to 45, 50 at the most. For some reason we've seen the older people want to just focus on their physical symptoms. They don't really want to acknowledge that they might want to work on their mindset. Like I'm speaking of the 60 and above. They will happily partner with us for diabetes, blood pressure and everything. And sometimes you do tend to see patterns. There's anxiety and there's like a tendency to have mood swings and maybe like, family issues kind of a thing, right. With the very young ones, with them, parents come to us for other things that might be happening to them. Like the kids who are on the spectrum. Of course, those cases are like long term kind of engagement. But even, let's say parents of teenagers who come to us because weight issues are there, or there's some kind of autoimmune condition going on. Or even the kids who come to us for performance nutrition, right? Like they are into sports and they want to improve their sports performance. Very rarely do those parents speak about mental health. The people who are working with us around their mental health are the ones in the 35 to 50 age group. There's a degree of self awareness. I think they're open to that discussion. And what we've seen is we don't really start mental health work unless the first foundation, which is the body is sorted. Because someone could have a B12 deficiency and could be experiencing a lot of issues with moods and sleep and anxiety. Because B12 is required to make a lot of neurotransmitters in your brain, like all the reward chemicals, even the calming down neurotransmitters that are needed, B12 is required to make that. If you have a raw material deficiency, you don't have enough fuel in your car and you're saying the car is not starting. It's a problem of not having enough fuel, it's not a problem with the car. So we always first focus on the body, on the nutrition, optimizing all of these raw materials. So, magnesium, we found so many people who say that, okay, they have issues with mental health, their anxiety, I mean, they're anxious and then even anger issues or irritation or annoyance or they feel tired, they feel no motivation. We wait until the magnesium supplementation starts. So we don't even address we'll be like, okay, we'll just listen to them. We'll give them that space. And then we've seen how magnesium really helps the brain to such a large degree that what people think are psychological issues are basically just physiological ones. So, B12, magnesium, vitamin D, even protein, these play a significant role in mental health. Once this stuff is done, and if someone is still experiencing issues, then we look into what could be happening with the psyche, what could be happening with trauma processing, and what could also be happening in terms of their spiritual connected sense. Because for me, initially, I just started off with nutrition, right? Now, I look at it as a far more holistic thing. It's literally like, you're here, you're alive, and you're here to embrace the entire human experience, right? Which means your body, your mind, your emotions and your soul, everything has to work as one unit. So a lot of mental health issues arise when people have broken mental frameworks around what they're supposed to be doing, how they're being perceived in society, how people look at failures. Failures is such a big thing for a lot of people because we've not been trained to look at failures as a good thing. We've been trained to look at failures as something to be ashamed of. A lot of people are walking around with this broken feeling of they are not good enough, and they're trying to overcompensate for that. So, I mean, I teach this module in the academy, so it's like a seven hour talk. But it's usually broken mental frameworks that we work with, like, reframing the mind and kind of giving them that. Then we start looking at emotions and how people are processing their emotions, because most people don't have the vocabulary for even emotional processing. And sometimes there's so much like men aren't allowed to cry. Even now. Even now, where people are speaking of mental health, a man, when he actually has a breakdown and tears flow, it's very hard for them to do that, right? Its just not okay in society. So we help people process emotions not just through conversation, but also with somatic work. When I say somatic, it's body work, right? So actual movement, breath work. You start activating the vagus nerve, which is your connection between your gut and your brain. And the vagus nerve is really spread over through your body. So when you activate the vagus nerve, that again changes the entire stress processing that you have in your system. There are movements beyond just exercise. Keep telling people that there's a lot of ancient wisdom integrated in the work we do, right? But if you look at a lot of the way, not the way yoga is taught now, like, not cardio yoga and kickboxing yoga, I don't know what that is, but your traditional holding of postures with certain breaths, with certain locks inside your system, which is called as bandhas, they actually really help move energy. So we work on that as well, and then, of course, we work on the spiritual. [00:29:37.560] - Darshan Doshi I think the next part of the podcast, what I want to I'm curious about, is fitness and routines for fitness and nutrition that goes with it. A lot of people who come to Dasar for the fitness programs are primarily saying, I want to lose weight. I mean, that's a good starting point, but my conversation typically is that's a byproduct the focus of the fitness routines is more energy, actually more ability to do more things out of the same amount of time that you have in a day and better quality of time. So my first question really is how are you thinking about fitness, physical fitness? How can anyone build a good mechanism, a routine for physical fitness and nutrition that goes with it? [00:30:32.210] - Mugdha Pradhan Sure. So, to add to your idea of physical fitness, I often speak of functional fitness, like functional nutrition. That it's not just about energy. It's also about all the things that the body is designed to pick up weight or push things or travel long distances. Will you be able to do this till the last breath? Because that's what is real functionality. And we do focus on this, of course, one aspect of the workouts and training, your body itself, which is not something that we do, but we focus on the nutrition. How do you optimize this? So, what we found, Darshan is that people are often deficient in a lot of base nutrients that they need to build their fitness levels. For example, if you're weight training, you're doing that, of course, to keep your muscle masks going. You don't necessarily want to look like a bodybuilder, but you want to have the muscle mass that your body needs to sustain for those 100 years. To do that, you need protein. That's the base molecule that's used to build muscle. Now, especially in India, where vegetarianism is the predominant dietary pattern, so abroad, people would just eat a steak or just some protein, like grilled chicken, and then that's it. Here we eat a meal that's more well rounded, kind, but it's a very carb dominant eating habit that we have. So we don't often get the protein we need. So that's why we need to when we work with our clients, our patients, whatever, the first focus always is on increasing the quantity and quality of their protein. So for people who are watching this, when I say protein, if you're someone who eats animal based protein, then red meat is good. There's no need to be afraid of the cholesterol. We could do a separate podcast on cholesterol. Red meat, eggs, fish. These are good. I'm just building from the base. So protein is the first thing that we want to tackle. If you're a vegetarian, while you might eat Dal and you might eat paneer, your body might not absorb all of it because there are a lot of anti nutrients that could inhibit absorption in plant based foods. So you would need to supplement. Unfortunately, I don't really like supplementing as much as I would like to rely on real food. But vegetarians do need to supplement. And what we found in our work that even these whey protein supplements and all the plant based protein powders, they don't really get absorbed because we do blood work when someone comes to us at the beginning and three months later we do blood work again to check if the interventions are working or not, right? Because that's the most objective way to do it. Otherwise we could send people affirmations every day and they'll be like, yes, correct, I'm the king of the jungle. But we like our data. So what we've seen is there's this particular thing called essential amino acids, which is the absolute breakdown of your protein, right? So when we've supplemented people with EA or essential amino acids is when we've seen their muscle mass go up, their recovery times reduce, they really improve in their performance. So that's the base. You could choose to be a keto diet kind of a person where you're doing fat for energy, or you could choose to be someone who eats carbohydrates and you could eat fruits. Fruits are okay, right? Fruits are okay for carbs. Grains like rice are okay. Rice is not the bad guy. So you could do those carbs. So you first complete your protein needs. Then you could either do fat or carbs. And then you start looking at your micronutrients because those become very important when it comes to fitness. Like I spoke of magnesium earlier. So magnesium is an electrolyte that we lose often when we sweat. I wanted to stand on the road holding a placard saying, make magnesium mainstream. Again, no one talks of magnesium, but there's a lot of research on it. We lose it in a sweat and all of that. And ancestrally we would get magnesium when we would drink spring water because it's a mineral that's on rocks. So when we were hunter gatherers and when we were foragers, we would drink water like that and we'd get a magnesium through that, even though soil would be entrusted with magnesium. Now we mostly are drinking PMC, PCMC Corporation in whichever city people are clean water that's been treated. So a lot of these salts are gone, a lot of the electrolytes are gone. Plus we all have RO, which is important because there's otherwise too much contamination in the water. But we lose out on these minerals from our water and the soil quality is depleted. So our fruits and vegetables no longer have high levels of these minerals in them. So magnesium is the second one that people need to supplement with. And then your vitamins come in, right? So your B complex, your vitamin A, vitamin A can come from food you don't need to supplement. But be complex. Again, if you're a vegetarian, even if you're having dairy, with the processing that dairy goes through because you mostly have paneer for your protein, right? Then the B complex is kind of lost. Even if you're having eggs, you still need additional B complex because B complex also is required for your body to detox a lot of toxins. And now we have so much pollution going around, a B complex needs have gone up. So B complex, magnesium, vitamin D. If you're not getting sun exposure, if you're someone who can get at least 20 minutes of sunlight on as much skin as possible, then I don't recommend a vitamin D supplement because it's best to get it from the natural source, which is with sunlight. So these are your essentials. And then we usually bring in zinc for people, especially if they are in sports and performance. So when you're doing anything like any kind of training, endurance or even moving on to weights or anything where your body is required to do a little bit more than its baseline of just moving around your adrenal glands, which sit above your kidney, they fire up because they produce this thing called adrenaline which is required for you to really have a performance. Right. Adrenalin requires zinc as one of the base minerals to be made. That's the raw material. Now, zinc can get depleted when you get an infection. Zinc can get depleted when you experience regular stress in day to day life. If you're pushing your adrenals to also deliver for your workouts, then your zinc levels are really going to be low. So zinc, B complex, magnesium, vitamin D is what we do once the protein needs are covered. And then if the person has some other underlying issues which we'll see from their blood, we might bring in more customized things. But these are the base thing that everyone should focus on. What kind of food should one eat? Because I just spoke of supplements. Like for me it's like first fix. [00:37:26.110] - Darshan Doshi The before you go there. I've been trying to put on some muscle weight and I'm a vegetarian, no egg. Gujju job by heart and by food. And so becomes a bit challenging in terms of putting on muscle mass. But I'll definitely be reaching out to you after this to learn a little bit more so in the food that we eat for the nutrition, I see there's a lot of research and a lot of articles content around Western food. And they've done a good job, right? For them, they've done a good job. But what about India and Indian foods? Because if you go anywhere 200 km from where you are, you have a different type of food which is very traditional, which I believe is wholesome and nutritious. But we just don't have any research or data or content around it. I think that's through instagram. We are seeing a lot more come out, but would love to get your thoughts on Indian food and the nutrition that goes with it. [00:38:35.180] - Mugdha Pradhan Actually, even Indian food needs are not defined. So that's why we have this R&D department. Because even for me and even for the team, when we make recommendations, even now, we're going more with the generic guidelines that are there for human beings as a species. But Indians are a completely different genotype. Like, if you look at our bodies, we don't look like the Caucasians, we don't look like the Southeast Asia, right? I don't want to go into races right now. But Indian bodies are very different, right? Even when we become diseased or dysfunctional, the way our body displays a disease is very different, very unique to our genotype. And there is not enough research, like even this eight glasses of water. Now, where did it come from? So there's actually, the team is conducting a study on that. We received ethical approval to run clinical trials. We're running clinical trials on people. So we're researching that, like actually India water needs because our weather also is very different. Like, our summers are intense and then our summers in Pune are very different from our summers in Bombay. Because in Bombay, you will be setting three times more than in Pune. But in Pune, you still get dehydrated. So we're studying that. We are studying Indian water needs. We are studying, like, nutrition for Indians. What does it really mean? So one thing we figured out, there's a certain baseline that can be practiced for any human being, which is like the basic protein needs and all, but really being able to customize beyond that, we ourselves are researching that. So still, with the amount of knowledge we have, we've been able to work with so many different diseases and bring good results, and the deeper we go, because even there's just not enough research, even with our foods, right? So when we do our nutrition, we have this textbook from ICMR and all. It speaks of nutritional values of Indian foods. And it's like a big textbook. So it'll tell you, okay, sesame Seeds has 100 milligrams of calcium per 100 grams of sesame seeds. But that's a very laboratory way of assessing it, right? They put it through a machine, whatever that chromatograph. And the chromatograph is said, okay, these many levels, how the body processes these things, is very different. You can't just say that 100 calories from mango is the same as 100 calories coming from white sugar. Calorie wise, they might burn at the same time and they'll just produce the same amount of energy inside the calorie meters, which they use for measuring. But how that food behaves in your body is very unique. And we are genotyped because of all the family patterns and all we had in the past. That's why we're so prime for diabetes as a population, genetically epigenetic changes have happened and how our genes respond to fat and carbohydrates together. So we are creating a repository primed for it. We are primed for diabetes. Like loaded guns working all over. So this statistic I was looking at, right, 77 million diabetics in India. It doesn't match with the data we have. So I must have looked at around 4000-5000 blood reports so far in the last five years. Different people, right? Sometimes just a friend, sometimes a client. I can tell you out of these, there might be ten reports that I can distinctly remember where there was no progression towards diabetes. Like, the insulin levels were optimal, blood sugar levels were optimal, metabolic health was optimal. And somebody from my team was telling me yesterday that but this is a US number that apparently only 12% of the population is actually metabolically healthy. 88% is chronically sick in some way or the other. They might not know it, or they've been diagnosed with something, but that 77 million doesn't match the blood test I've seen. I think it's much higher and it's just underreported. [00:42:24.160] - Darshan Doshi So Mugdha. I want to talk and get your inputs around preventive health care or measures, but I want to take that as the last question. The first one is a lot of people coming and asking, I want to lose weight because it's all about looking good. Any connection between weight loss and wellness loss? [00:42:47.150] - Mugdha Pradhan Lots, like, I don't even know where to begin. But how do you view it. [00:42:52.390] - Darshan Doshi When someone comes to you and says, I want to lose weight, how can you help me? [00:42:55.910] - Mugdha Pradhan Great. The thing about weight is it's a very tangible thing, right? Like, you can see that on the weighing scale. Your numbers are going up. You can see in the mirror that you're looking different and then your clothes don't fit. It happens, so it's something very tangible. And then people don't like that. Because I think, again, as a species, we like aesthetic looking stuff, and a lot of our ability to interact with the external world depends on how we look and feel about ourselves. So when someone says, I want to lose weight, I say, Great. And then I ask, Why? Because if someone says, in one month, it's my cousin's Shaadi, and I want to lose weight to fit into a ghagra, I'm like I'm not the nutritionist you can work with. See people gain. Anyone, like, even when I gained it when I was 97 kg, that weight gain usually has an underlying health issue. It could be the same thing that I spoke of, insulin resistance. Or it could be a liver that's messed up. It could be a thyroid issue. Usually there's something going on and your body is using weight as a signaling mechanism to tell you that something's wrong. Look at me. I'm showing you these symptoms so when someone says, I want to lose weight, the first thing we do is we bring a degree of awareness about why have they gained weight in the first place? So a lot of historical health questions are asked when did it happen? What was the trigger? And all of that. Then we look at blood work. Also, my approach is like, let someone understand what is really at the root of their increased weight. So even if someone says, I want to lose weight, that's a beautiful health goal. It's great because that has motivated you to come and ask the right question. It asks you to reach out to somebody who can help you with it. So it's a great goal, but when people make it just about weight loss, then they'll do very hacky stuff, right? Like keto diets. I have nothing against keto. Sometimes it can be used as a therapeutic intervention, especially if someone's insulin biochemistry is completely off. Keto works well, but it's not a long term sustainable thing for multiple reasons. Or somebody who just do like intermittent fasting, or one meal a day and all these long fast. And at some level it starts feeling like body abuse. So it really is. So when someone says, I want to lose weight, I ask Why? If the why is clear, we get them started. If the why is not clear, we help them understand why they should be thinking what is the context in which they should be looking at their extra weight? It's more about understanding what's going on with the body. We help resolve that. And the weight loss is the side effect. So I never say that. One month, ten kg weight loss, money back guarantee. It's never like that. It's literally like, let's work on all the things happening inside. You will see your weight dropping off automatically. Right? It's a byproduct. It's a side effect because it's a symptom. It's not the cause. People think diabetes happens because of extra weight. It's the other way around that extra weight happens because of insulin resistance, which is triggering both the diabetes and the weight gain. So you fix the root cause, the symptom starts disappearing. So that's how I look at weight. I look at it as another symptom of a chronic health problem internally. [00:46:12.680] - Darshan Doshi And you made a good point that we'll focus on the process. I'm a big believer of putting routine routines checklists, make it a habit. And you can only make it a habit. So, for example, one of the things that I've been talking in my podcast around fitness, and in the fitness programs that we have, give yourself a year to see the results. Give yourself a year to make fitness a habit, a routine, because it's going to take you that long. Because, rightly said a lot of people come and say, I want this fixed in a month or two months. I know of no magic pill which has that right. And so what would be your guidance for anyone who wants to build a routine of having good nutrition? What would that entail? [00:47:08.020] - Mugdha Pradhan So, again, starts from knowing what is needed. So, for example, if someone needs more protein, if someone needs more minerals, we first figured that out, okay, what is it that you need? [00:47:19.840] - Darshan Doshi So that's done. [00:47:20.470] - Mugdha Pradhan That's done. Now we start working on building a process to make sure that remains optimized despite failures. Because I am someone who is not a creature of who wasn't a creature of habit. I am an inherently creative person. So for me to get into habit more, I have to do a lot of work, which included like, literally reading Atomic Habits by James Clear multiple times and underlining. So that copy of my book is literally like it's got food samples on it, like I've eaten and I've been reading that book. But anyway, so when it comes to optimizing your nutrition or making sure that you're sticking to your food guidelines, if you become extremely regimental about it, like this or nothing, then every time you fail, you're going to go back into the same loop of, forget it, I can't do anything right. So we break down what is needed into maybe three or for some people, two meals. Three meals are more or less enough for most people. Like a breakfast, lunch, dinner routine is what we've mostly grown up with. And if we help them figure out that these are the things you need to eat through the day to get what your body needs, let's see which meal is the peak meal for you. And some people are really hungry around breakfast. Some people really like enjoying their dinners with a large meal because that's when they get to maybe cook and be with the family. We integrate it with their life. [00:48:48.160] - Darshan Doshi So everything is personalized? [00:48:50.020] - Mugdha Pradhan Everything is personalized. There's no generic, but if it has to be generalized, then my thing would be that first figure out what is it that you need that always is personalized. Because what you eat and what it can't be the same. Even my sister and I, we have the same parents, the same DNA, but our bodies are different, right? So we have to figure out what is it that I need through the day. For example, I need extra protein because one of my enzymes, digestive enzymes, is not being produced in my gut. Now, I don't know if it's a genetic thing or if it happened over a lifetime, but I need to consume more protein just to compensate for the lack of that one enzyme. So that extra protein gets broken down and gets absorbed. So each person is unique. But then I know this much that I need to eat, let's say about 75 grams of protein. I can choose to make it like more eggs and breakfast and then some meat and lunch, and then more meat and eggs and dinner. And I can choose to break it down like that. So three meals usually fits into our social schedules. Also, because you want to meet someone for breakfast, you can eat a meal. You want to meet someone for lunch, you can eat a meal with them. You want to meet someone for dinner, you can eat a meal with them. So if someone is trying to figure out how to optimize the nutrition habit, first figure out what is a sustainable meal plan for you. I get extremely ambitious. People will be like, I can eat just one meal a day. And I'll be like, how do you fit in everything you need over 24 hours period into one meal? Won't that leave you feeling bloated and lethargic? Yeah. What happens when you go out with friends and you eat on your one meal already? You're going to be the one guy they're going to call out saying you're not eating.How are you going to deal with that? Social pressure. So you figure out what is it that integrates best with your lifestyle? If someone who socializes it a lot, you have to accommodate for that happening. And then you figure out which meals can you manage like that? We had a lady who's a very social person and she realized that the food she was eating when she was with her friends was really contributing to a lot of her gut issues because it was mostly snacky stuff, bar food. So what she then agreed to do, she didn't want to compromise and of course meeting her friends, but she decided to have a big meal before going out in the evening so her stomach would kind of feel full. And then there she could pick up simpler stuff that would not really cause too much damage. So figure out what you need in a 24 hours period for your body and then see which meal pattern works best. And then break these meals down into that. Now this is very easy for me to see. It's very difficult to implement unless you have the right kind of plans in place, like the strategy in place for this. And I think you do a lot of work around that. How we do it is we help someone create an identity. So we never focus on the goal saying that, oh, I have to eat three meals with the best nutrition through the day. I don't do that. And this is a learning from atomic habits itself. You make it your identity that on most days, I am eating what my body needs through the day. So if that becomes your identity versus an identity of I'm on a diet, when you make I'm on a diet, your identity is always in a state of deprivation and tension and anxiety. But if you make an identity of I know what my body needs, I'm going to figure out. Which means it's going to give me this. And then you put in processes. Like for me, one of the processes I had to put and for a lot of our clients we had to do this is get help to help with the base work around your food. Because if you plan on making all your meals on your own, and you plan on working full time, and you plan on doing fitness, like going to the sun system. If we were Huntergatherers, we would be hunting for our food, getting a workout at the same time and getting a rest and naps everything through the day itself. We need a little support. So I really recommend, if people don't have that already, getting some sort of support either to prep meals or to fully cook your meals. Also, if you're okay with that as a person. But get that in place. So know what you need, figure out which meals you need and then plan for failures. Always. I tell them that, okay, you're someone who thinks you can cook all your food. What if you can't do it? Then what would you do? Then they'll be like, I'll order in and say, how many days can you tomorrow so you can't cook? Then what will you do? Then they get the idea. Right. [00:53:34.190] - Darshan Doshi I think one thing that I'll add to that is to celebrate small wins, too, of course, which are once a week, once a month. It's important for us to celebrate the little progress that we make. I think the whole goal based approach is important. We should have goals. We must have goals. But to say it's all or nothing is a failed approach. Absolutely right. Rather put milestones. Think of it as flag poles that you have to go and touch. And every time you do that, you kind of put your hands up and say, yeah, I did it. Right. And so that was one thing that I wanted to add. You talked about snacking. And snacking is so common now with ten minute deliveries. You can order anything and everything at your home. What is the binge eating, binge drinking? Is there a way my question is I know that question has been answered by many people. The difference that I want is, is there a way for us to have healthy binging? And is there something like that, or what would you suggest? [00:54:50.110] - Mugdha Pradhan Yeah, so the idea of a binge itself doesn't fit into my idea of what healthy behavior would be. So it's a behavioral thing. It's not really about what you're eating as much as it's a behavior you would binge. And I was somebody who was an emotional eater when I was going through my entire clinical depression thing. So I would go and pick these carbohydrate rich foods just because I was feeling so low in life. And I needed something to kind of trigger the Dopamine release in my brain. Right, so it's a behavioral thing. Now, let's say you're going through something and you want to eat. I recently had to go to court for some stuff and all of that. It was stressful and it was annoying, and I needed food to kind of just help me kind of feel grounded. Right, so let's say you're going through something and you want to use food as one of your coping mechanisms, which we do as human beings. We do like to imagine that a human being wouldn't use food as a coping mechanism would be like a complete aesthetic yogi sitting in the Himalayas. We are urban people living in modern day stressors. So when you feel that desire to use food as a coping mechanism, there are things that you could eat that won't really harm your body. So my first go-to is fruits. I really do that even now when I feel like sometimes you want to eat something when we do snacking, like you're working on something, and then I don't know why it happens to me a lot, especially when writing or something. I want to chew on something while I'm writing. So then I keep roasted chana next to me, which is okay, which is not fried. It is going to contribute to my protein needs in some way. So roasted chana is okay, and you can't eat too much of that. It's not like your chips. So your namkins from these brands that come in packets, you can't stop because they're also designed like that. So there's a lot of molecular engineering that happens in these food processing plants where they find how to create hyper stimulation. So the taste combinations of salt and fat and sugar and the other flavors are designed in such a way that when you eat a bite, you get a hyper stimulatory experience, which is beyond what you'd get with your Dal Chawal. So your brain wants more and more of that. So it's designed like that. It's evil. But if you do things like roasted chana, you really can't eat too much of that. Or if you just chop up fruits and eat, you're going to get good. So that minute that you have that urge to do something, you're chopping fruits, you're actually engaging your body, and then you're anticipating that meal, and then you're going to finish that bowl, and then the thought of having to go do that another time itself cuts that behavior. But what else could I do? Not recommend nuts too much. Like, a lot of nutritionists say that you could munch on nuts when you're feeling snacky again. Because we do so much work with looking at root causes and blood chemistry. What we've seen is nuts have very high omega six fatty acids, and then that can contribute to insulin resistance because of the biochemical circuits itself. So occasionally it's okay to have like, maybe three, four almonds once a week or something. But if you're keeping nuts as a snack every day, like 04:00 P.m hunger attack, that happens. And that's when you're eating almonds, it's going to mess up your molecule. It is going to compound. [00:58:16.200] - Darshan Doshi So a lot of people, especially youngsters, are focusing a lot on weight gain. So we've talked about weight loss. Now on weight gain, there's a massive challenge that is happening as well. So any thoughts on what's really going on there? [00:58:36.850] - Mugdha Pradhan We have a challenge with this as well. It's easier to make someone lose weight than to make them gain weight. Like when one of our weight gain people gain a kg and be like, yeah, and it's really a very slow process. Multiple reasons. They could have absorption issues in their gut, right? So they could be eating a lot of food, but the gut is just not absorbing all that nutrition, and then that's why it's not going to the body. Second, we've seen if the thyroid is actually running at a much faster rate, it's a thing called hypothyroidism. It really keeps your metabolism at a high all through the day, and you could be burning up so many calories without realizing it. So gut issues, a thyroid that's going really fast. If there's a lot of anxiety and restlessness kind of pattern, there's a lot of twitching, twitching, movement moving through the day that burns calories. It really does. So it's harder to kind of gain weight then, and if you're not challenging your body enough. So one thing that's important for muscle mass to grow is it gets challenged, which means you actually train it with weight. And it's usually young people who come to us for weight gain, right? So if we bring in some kind of a program where they're actually training in the gym with a trainer or on their own, that triggers the muscles to break down and rebuild again, and then nutrition is optimized for that, right. And then we kind of are able to see weight gain, but it's much slower. It's a challenge. Sometimes there could be underlying things like anorexia and bulimia, which might not be reported initially to you, but then you start seeing the pattern there. So a lot of the teenage audience that comes to us for the early 20s now, they've had some sort of issues with body image and some kind of breakdowns in the past with food. So then we have to work on the mental framework, okay. Because they don't eat. Even if you give them the best plan, they aren't eating the food that they need. [01:00:40.970] - Darshan Doshi So now it's been such an awesome podcast, but one last question before we wrap it up. Curing comes after the disease takes place. Reversal happens after bad stuff has happened to you. And nobody likes to be unhealthy, right? There's a popular saying. There are a thousand things that a healthy person needs, but an unhealthy one, an ill person with illness has only one wish to get better. And I think the pandemic made that really close to us over the last two years. So we'd love to hear what are some preventive things that a person can do today, given the fact that there are 158 diseases that you talked about. [01:01:30.510] - Mugdha Pradhan And there might be more, right? [01:01:34.630] - Darshan Doshi I'm 37, I want to be disease free. I want to live 100 year healthy life. What should I do? What could I do? [01:01:45.040] - Mugdha Pradhan What should you do? And actually, you made a very beautiful point and no one really wants to be sick. I've not met a single person who says that, no, I don't care about my health. Everyone says they care about their health, they just don't have enough knowledge, right? And then the question, like you said, 100 years. And when you said that, I was like, yes, live long, but also live well. Your health span is more important than your life span. It could be 60, but you could live really well until 60 versus being 100. And then 60 are good and the remaining 40 are dependent. So what should you do? See, the few components that ensure a life free of disease are one is of course, your body's movement, the functionality of it itself, right? So even before I go to nutrition, a lot of youngsters don't realize this. Like, they spend so much time sitting and not really using the body the way it's supposed to be used, that later in life those muscles have all tightened up, they've lost their functionality because the body is always looking at optimization. It's like, okay, you're sitting through the day, which means you don't need your glutes to kind of move. So let's tighten this. Let's tighten your IDP bank because you don't need it, right? Or your shoulders are like this all the time, which means you're not hanging from trees. So let's make a shoulders like this. Let's do an internal rotation. So move so that you are able to move right until your last breath. Losing the ability to move independently is the worst feeling ever. People can live with elevated blood sugar levels. People will live with high BP taking medicine. I've seen this, right? When they become wheelchair bound or when they become mobility. When their mobility goes is when their desire to live goes away. It really goes away. So even before we talk of nutrition, maintain movement, what can you do to ensure that you remain disease free every six months, if that's too intense, at least every year, get your blood work done and make sure your metabolic health is optimal. Because what is disease? Disease is an inability to produce the energy you need, or diseases, your organs not functioning the way they're supposed to. Like your kidneys not functioning and filtering your blood, your liver not detoxing, your heart not pumping, your brain not working with. So health is having good energy. Health is all your organs function the way they're supposed to function. Health is you get through your day without aches and pains, you're happy, right? Like you wake up, you have a purpose for the day, you plan what you want to do through the day and you deliver that through the day to yourself and to the world outside. And you go to bed with all your dopamine going off saying good job, good job, good job, right? So that is what health is to me. And I tell people also like I might not be the thinnest nutritionist on this planet, I am not. But I can do a 72 kg deadlift, I can stretch like nobody's business, nobody's flexibility is not there. And I wake up at 04:00 a.m. Every day and I go to bed at ten. I never lose energy through the day unless I have some bug, right? So that is health to me. [01:04:56.370] - Darshan Doshi That last sentence is what sticks to me the most is ability to have the energy to do what I want to do. A body and a mind to be able to do what I want to do right when I want to do it. When you want to do it. One of the things I keep coming back to Dasar is say you're really rich, you've made a lot of money also and you're working on some of the coolest stuff in the world, machine learning what not. And you go to Goa or you go to Maldives and you can't kayak, you can't go out for a swim, right? What's the use of all that money or all the work that you do, right, when your body is not able to do the things that you wanted to do? Or go trek the hill, go do the things which are actually experiences. [01:05:51.030] - Mugdha Pradhan And the thing is, it's not when you go to Maldives or when you go to a hill that you suddenly realize you don't have health. These things start you just ignore. For example, when you wake up in the morning with the alarm and then you just want to snooze and then go back to bed. And then when you wake up also you're just not feeling fresh. That's a sign that something's already messed up. When you have this lump in the day and then you either need a smoke or something else, like a lot of caffeine to get through the day. I like coffee myself, I like tea, but I drink it because I enjoy the beverage. It's not like if I don't have my coffee, I'm not going to be able to do things right. So that dependency on a crutch, something to stimulate your energy, right? That's a sign that something's already messed up. It needs to be addressed, but a lot of people want to deny these small. So your body first whispers like, post it for you. But then it's such a small post, what am I going to do with it? That will send you a bigger letter. Then there will be a loud scream, which will be a disease and be like, Shit, I have diabetes. And even then you won't know that the bodies is trying to tell you that. Just fix it. [01:07:08.620] - Darshan Doshi So this has been an awesome podcast. It's been a long one. We've talked a lot, Mugda. You've been absolutely phenomenal. I love the technical terms used, I love the simplicity with which you explained the anecdotes, the examples that you've given. And thanks for sharing your own personal story. It's extremely important to have a fit body and a fit mind. We are launching a podcast series called Dirghayu, which is on living a long and healthy life. The gift of a long life, right? And where what we are doing is people such as yourself, people in the healthcare industry, in the fitness industry, in the start up world, the investment world, who are focused on improving lives, health and wellness. And so we'll be launching that soon. But this has been an awesome podcast. Thanks a lot, Mugdha. And hopefully we can bring you back so we can talk about cholesterol. [01:08:11.250] - Mugdha Pradhan Yes, it's the biggest myth that's been going on on this planet. But thank you for having me over. I kind of lose track of time when I start talking about this stuff because my vision is to kind of create a planet that is free of diseases, right? So for me, it's like more people come, listen, just fix this right now. But thank you so much for having me over. They were amazing questions. It really helped me kind of articulate what goes on in my mind so often. So thank you for asking me those questions and thank you for having me over. And the Dirghayu podcast sounds like an incredible idea. [01:08:50.120] - Darshan Doshi Yeah, we'll do that. Thanks. I hope you enjoyed this podcast. You may or may not have known these things, maybe you would have seen bits and pieces of it. But how does it all come together? Our body is a marvelous thing. There's a lot of things that we need to learn to take action, right? If you are someone who is looking to improve your fitness, if you are someone who wants to just learn about fitness, about nutrition, subscribe to our YouTube channel. We also run a newsletter that goes out every Wednesday where we have articles written on fitness, personal finance, productivity, performance and the whole thing. And the idea is very simple. We want people to be financially independent and to live inspired and meaningful lives. So I'll see you soon. Thanks a lot. Share this podcast if you liked it, it will help reach out to people who could really benefit from it. Thanks. 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How Can One Beat Chronic Illness with Lifestyle Changes June 26, 2022 Darshan Doshi 01:09:43 0 Comments

How do you deal with Chronic Diseases? What are some of the best ways to maintain a routine of daily fitness and nutrition to go with it? What are some of the most important preventive measures for everyone to remain disease-free and lead a long healthy life? Learn more about it as we sit with our guest speaker, Mugdha Pradhan, founder of iThrive.

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The Gift of A Long Life: How Can We Live for a Hundred Years? June 24, 2022 Darshan Doshi 0 Comments

Is living a long life a gift or a curse? When does a 100-year life become a curse or a how can we make it a gift? In this podcast, we have a discussion with Amit Gandhi, Director (Radiology) South Asia at Philips Healthcare, about living a 100 year life that is healthy and wealthy.

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