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The LCMS is wrestling with a familiar question: are we keeping distinctions or breaking barriers?

What does healthy leadership look like in today’s church?
Dr. Ben Haupt, Global Executive Director of PLI (Pastoral Leadership Institute), joins Tim Ahlman to unpack the powerful “Square and Tower” metaphor — a framework that exposes the tension between movement and institution, freedom and structure, and mission and maintenance in the Church.

Together, they discuss:

• Why both the Square and the Tower are necessary for a thriving LCMS
• How Jesus modeled Kingdom leadership beyond institutional control
• What the early church teaches us about multiplying leaders
• How PLI is equipping thousands globally to lead with courage and adaptability
• The dangers of over-centralization, control, and “over-resourcing”
• Why the next era of ministry demands entrepreneurial discipleship

This episode is a masterclass in adaptive, Spirit-led leadership — especially for pastors and church leaders navigating tension between innovation and tradition.

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